From: Bernd Schubert <bernd.schubert@fastmail.fm>
To: Kent Overstreet <kent.overstreet@linux.dev>
Cc: Bernd Schubert <bschubert@ddn.com>,
Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>,
Amir Goldstein <amir73il@gmail.com>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Andrei Vagin <avagin@google.com>,
io-uring@vger.kernel.org, Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
Ming Lei <ming.lei@redhat.com>,
Pavel Begunkov <asml.silence@gmail.com>,
Josef Bacik <josef@toxicpanda.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC v2 00/19] fuse: fuse-over-io-uring
Date: Thu, 30 May 2024 18:17:29 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <fe874c55-a26f-413f-9719-9cf59b1a3d28@fastmail.fm> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <owccqrazlyfo2zcsprxr7bhpgjrh4km3xlc4ku2aqhqhlqhtyj@djlwwccmlwhw>
On 5/30/24 18:10, Kent Overstreet wrote:
> On Thu, May 30, 2024 at 06:02:21PM +0200, Bernd Schubert wrote:
>> Hmm, initially I had thought about writing my own ring buffer, but then
>> io-uring got IORING_OP_URING_CMD, which seems to have exactly what we
>> need? From interface point of view, io-uring seems easy to use here,
>> has everything we need and kind of the same thing is used for ublk -
>> what speaks against io-uring? And what other suggestion do you have?
>>
>> I guess the same concern would also apply to ublk_drv.
>>
>> Well, decoupling from io-uring might help to get for zero-copy, as there
>> doesn't seem to be an agreement with Mings approaches (sorry I'm only
>> silently following for now).
>>
>> From our side, a customer has pointed out security concerns for io-uring.
>> My thinking so far was to implemented the required io-uring pieces into
>> an module and access it with ioctls... Which would also allow to
>> backport it to RHEL8/RHEL9.
>
> Well, I've been starting to sketch out a ringbuffer() syscall, which
> would work on any (supported) file descriptor and give you a ringbuffer
> for reading or writing (or call it twice for both).
>
> That seems to be what fuse really wants, no? You're already using a file
> descriptor and your own RPC format, you just want a faster
> communications channel.
Fine with me, if you have something better/simpler with less security
concerns - why not. We just need a community agreement on that.
Do you have something I could look at?
Thanks,
Bernd
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-05-30 16:17 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 113+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-05-29 18:00 [PATCH RFC v2 00/19] fuse: fuse-over-io-uring Bernd Schubert
2024-05-29 18:00 ` [PATCH RFC v2 01/19] fuse: rename to fuse_dev_end_requests and make non-static Bernd Schubert
2024-05-29 21:09 ` Josef Bacik
2024-05-29 18:00 ` [PATCH RFC v2 02/19] fuse: Move fuse_get_dev to header file Bernd Schubert
2024-05-29 21:09 ` Josef Bacik
2024-05-29 18:00 ` [PATCH RFC v2 03/19] fuse: Move request bits Bernd Schubert
2024-05-29 21:10 ` Josef Bacik
2024-05-29 18:00 ` [PATCH RFC v2 04/19] fuse: Add fuse-io-uring design documentation Bernd Schubert
2024-05-29 21:17 ` Josef Bacik
2024-05-30 12:50 ` Bernd Schubert
2024-05-30 14:59 ` Josef Bacik
2024-05-29 18:00 ` [PATCH RFC v2 05/19] fuse: Add a uring config ioctl Bernd Schubert
2024-05-29 21:24 ` Josef Bacik
2024-05-30 12:51 ` Bernd Schubert
2024-06-03 13:03 ` Miklos Szeredi
2024-06-03 13:48 ` Bernd Schubert
2024-05-29 18:00 ` [PATCH RFC v2 06/19] Add a vmalloc_node_user function Bernd Schubert
2024-05-30 15:10 ` Josef Bacik
2024-05-30 16:13 ` Bernd Schubert
2024-05-31 13:56 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-06-03 15:59 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-06-03 19:24 ` Bernd Schubert
2024-06-04 4:20 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-06-07 2:30 ` Dave Chinner
2024-06-07 4:49 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-06-04 4:08 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-05-29 18:00 ` [PATCH RFC v2 07/19] fuse uring: Add an mmap method Bernd Schubert
2024-05-30 15:37 ` Josef Bacik
2024-05-29 18:00 ` [PATCH RFC v2 08/19] fuse: Add the queue configuration ioctl Bernd Schubert
2024-05-30 15:54 ` Josef Bacik
2024-05-30 17:49 ` Bernd Schubert
2024-05-29 18:00 ` [PATCH RFC v2 09/19] fuse: {uring} Add a dev_release exception for fuse-over-io-uring Bernd Schubert
2024-05-30 19:00 ` Josef Bacik
2024-05-29 18:00 ` [PATCH RFC v2 10/19] fuse: {uring} Handle SQEs - register commands Bernd Schubert
2024-05-30 19:55 ` Josef Bacik
2024-05-29 18:00 ` [PATCH RFC v2 11/19] fuse: Add support to copy from/to the ring buffer Bernd Schubert
2024-05-30 19:59 ` Josef Bacik
2024-09-01 11:56 ` Bernd Schubert
2024-09-01 11:56 ` Bernd Schubert
2024-05-29 18:00 ` [PATCH RFC v2 12/19] fuse: {uring} Add uring sqe commit and fetch support Bernd Schubert
2024-05-30 20:08 ` Josef Bacik
2024-05-29 18:00 ` [PATCH RFC v2 13/19] fuse: {uring} Handle uring shutdown Bernd Schubert
2024-05-30 20:21 ` Josef Bacik
2024-05-29 18:00 ` [PATCH RFC v2 14/19] fuse: {uring} Allow to queue to the ring Bernd Schubert
2024-05-30 20:32 ` Josef Bacik
2024-05-30 21:26 ` Bernd Schubert
2024-05-29 18:00 ` [PATCH RFC v2 15/19] export __wake_on_current_cpu Bernd Schubert
2024-05-30 20:37 ` Josef Bacik
2024-06-04 9:26 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-06-04 9:36 ` Bernd Schubert
2024-06-04 19:27 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-09-01 12:07 ` Bernd Schubert
2024-05-31 13:51 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-05-29 18:00 ` [PATCH RFC v2 16/19] fuse: {uring} Wake requests on the the current cpu Bernd Schubert
2024-05-30 16:44 ` Shachar Sharon
2024-05-30 16:59 ` Bernd Schubert
2024-05-29 18:00 ` [PATCH RFC v2 17/19] fuse: {uring} Send async requests to qid of core + 1 Bernd Schubert
2024-05-29 18:00 ` [PATCH RFC v2 18/19] fuse: {uring} Set a min cpu offset io-size for reads/writes Bernd Schubert
2024-05-29 18:00 ` [PATCH RFC v2 19/19] fuse: {uring} Optimize async sends Bernd Schubert
2024-05-31 16:24 ` Jens Axboe
2024-05-31 17:36 ` Bernd Schubert
2024-05-31 19:10 ` Jens Axboe
2024-06-01 16:37 ` Bernd Schubert
2024-05-30 7:07 ` [PATCH RFC v2 00/19] fuse: fuse-over-io-uring Amir Goldstein
2024-05-30 12:09 ` Bernd Schubert
2024-05-30 15:36 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-05-30 16:02 ` Bernd Schubert
2024-05-30 16:10 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-05-30 16:17 ` Bernd Schubert [this message]
2024-05-30 17:30 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-05-30 19:09 ` Josef Bacik
2024-05-30 20:05 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-05-31 3:53 ` [PATCH] fs: sys_ringbuffer() (WIP) Kent Overstreet
2024-05-31 13:11 ` kernel test robot
2024-05-31 15:49 ` kernel test robot
2024-05-30 16:21 ` [PATCH RFC v2 00/19] fuse: fuse-over-io-uring Jens Axboe
2024-05-30 16:32 ` Bernd Schubert
2024-05-30 17:26 ` Jens Axboe
2024-05-30 17:16 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-05-30 17:28 ` Jens Axboe
2024-05-30 17:58 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-05-30 18:48 ` Jens Axboe
2024-05-30 19:35 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-05-31 0:11 ` Jens Axboe
2024-06-04 23:45 ` Ming Lei
2024-05-30 20:47 ` Josef Bacik
2024-06-11 8:20 ` Miklos Szeredi
2024-06-11 10:26 ` Bernd Schubert
2024-06-11 15:35 ` Miklos Szeredi
2024-06-11 17:37 ` Bernd Schubert
2024-06-11 23:35 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-06-12 13:53 ` Bernd Schubert
2024-06-12 14:19 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-06-12 15:40 ` Bernd Schubert
2024-06-12 15:55 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-06-12 16:15 ` Bernd Schubert
2024-06-12 16:24 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-06-12 16:44 ` Bernd Schubert
2024-06-12 7:39 ` Miklos Szeredi
2024-06-12 13:32 ` Bernd Schubert
2024-06-12 13:46 ` Bernd Schubert
2024-06-12 14:07 ` Miklos Szeredi
2024-06-12 14:56 ` Bernd Schubert
2024-08-02 23:03 ` Bernd Schubert
2024-08-29 22:32 ` Bernd Schubert
2024-08-30 13:12 ` Jens Axboe
2024-08-30 13:28 ` Bernd Schubert
2024-08-30 13:33 ` Jens Axboe
2024-08-30 14:55 ` Pavel Begunkov
2024-08-30 15:10 ` Bernd Schubert
2024-08-30 20:08 ` Jens Axboe
2024-08-31 0:02 ` Bernd Schubert
2024-08-31 0:49 ` Bernd Schubert
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