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From: Bernd Schubert <bernd.schubert@fastmail.fm>
To: Kent Overstreet <kent.overstreet@linux.dev>
Cc: Bernd Schubert <bschubert@ddn.com>,
	Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>,
	Amir Goldstein <amir73il@gmail.com>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Andrei Vagin <avagin@google.com>,
	io-uring@vger.kernel.org, Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	Ming Lei <ming.lei@redhat.com>,
	Pavel Begunkov <asml.silence@gmail.com>,
	Josef Bacik <josef@toxicpanda.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC v2 00/19] fuse: fuse-over-io-uring
Date: Thu, 30 May 2024 18:17:29 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <fe874c55-a26f-413f-9719-9cf59b1a3d28@fastmail.fm> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <owccqrazlyfo2zcsprxr7bhpgjrh4km3xlc4ku2aqhqhlqhtyj@djlwwccmlwhw>



On 5/30/24 18:10, Kent Overstreet wrote:
> On Thu, May 30, 2024 at 06:02:21PM +0200, Bernd Schubert wrote:
>> Hmm, initially I had thought about writing my own ring buffer, but then 
>> io-uring got IORING_OP_URING_CMD, which seems to have exactly what we
>> need? From interface point of view, io-uring seems easy to use here, 
>> has everything we need and kind of the same thing is used for ublk - 
>> what speaks against io-uring? And what other suggestion do you have?
>>
>> I guess the same concern would also apply to ublk_drv. 
>>
>> Well, decoupling from io-uring might help to get for zero-copy, as there
>> doesn't seem to be an agreement with Mings approaches (sorry I'm only
>> silently following for now).
>>
>> From our side, a customer has pointed out security concerns for io-uring. 
>> My thinking so far was to implemented the required io-uring pieces into 
>> an module and access it with ioctls... Which would also allow to
>> backport it to RHEL8/RHEL9.
> 
> Well, I've been starting to sketch out a ringbuffer() syscall, which
> would work on any (supported) file descriptor and give you a ringbuffer
> for reading or writing (or call it twice for both).
> 
> That seems to be what fuse really wants, no? You're already using a file
> descriptor and your own RPC format, you just want a faster
> communications channel.

Fine with me, if you have something better/simpler with less security
concerns - why not. We just need a community agreement on that.

Do you have something I could look at?

Thanks,
Bernd

  reply	other threads:[~2024-05-30 16:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 113+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-05-29 18:00 [PATCH RFC v2 00/19] fuse: fuse-over-io-uring Bernd Schubert
2024-05-29 18:00 ` [PATCH RFC v2 01/19] fuse: rename to fuse_dev_end_requests and make non-static Bernd Schubert
2024-05-29 21:09   ` Josef Bacik
2024-05-29 18:00 ` [PATCH RFC v2 02/19] fuse: Move fuse_get_dev to header file Bernd Schubert
2024-05-29 21:09   ` Josef Bacik
2024-05-29 18:00 ` [PATCH RFC v2 03/19] fuse: Move request bits Bernd Schubert
2024-05-29 21:10   ` Josef Bacik
2024-05-29 18:00 ` [PATCH RFC v2 04/19] fuse: Add fuse-io-uring design documentation Bernd Schubert
2024-05-29 21:17   ` Josef Bacik
2024-05-30 12:50     ` Bernd Schubert
2024-05-30 14:59       ` Josef Bacik
2024-05-29 18:00 ` [PATCH RFC v2 05/19] fuse: Add a uring config ioctl Bernd Schubert
2024-05-29 21:24   ` Josef Bacik
2024-05-30 12:51     ` Bernd Schubert
2024-06-03 13:03   ` Miklos Szeredi
2024-06-03 13:48     ` Bernd Schubert
2024-05-29 18:00 ` [PATCH RFC v2 06/19] Add a vmalloc_node_user function Bernd Schubert
2024-05-30 15:10   ` Josef Bacik
2024-05-30 16:13     ` Bernd Schubert
2024-05-31 13:56   ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-06-03 15:59     ` Kent Overstreet
2024-06-03 19:24       ` Bernd Schubert
2024-06-04  4:20         ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-06-07  2:30           ` Dave Chinner
2024-06-07  4:49             ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-06-04  4:08       ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-05-29 18:00 ` [PATCH RFC v2 07/19] fuse uring: Add an mmap method Bernd Schubert
2024-05-30 15:37   ` Josef Bacik
2024-05-29 18:00 ` [PATCH RFC v2 08/19] fuse: Add the queue configuration ioctl Bernd Schubert
2024-05-30 15:54   ` Josef Bacik
2024-05-30 17:49     ` Bernd Schubert
2024-05-29 18:00 ` [PATCH RFC v2 09/19] fuse: {uring} Add a dev_release exception for fuse-over-io-uring Bernd Schubert
2024-05-30 19:00   ` Josef Bacik
2024-05-29 18:00 ` [PATCH RFC v2 10/19] fuse: {uring} Handle SQEs - register commands Bernd Schubert
2024-05-30 19:55   ` Josef Bacik
2024-05-29 18:00 ` [PATCH RFC v2 11/19] fuse: Add support to copy from/to the ring buffer Bernd Schubert
2024-05-30 19:59   ` Josef Bacik
2024-09-01 11:56     ` Bernd Schubert
2024-09-01 11:56     ` Bernd Schubert
2024-05-29 18:00 ` [PATCH RFC v2 12/19] fuse: {uring} Add uring sqe commit and fetch support Bernd Schubert
2024-05-30 20:08   ` Josef Bacik
2024-05-29 18:00 ` [PATCH RFC v2 13/19] fuse: {uring} Handle uring shutdown Bernd Schubert
2024-05-30 20:21   ` Josef Bacik
2024-05-29 18:00 ` [PATCH RFC v2 14/19] fuse: {uring} Allow to queue to the ring Bernd Schubert
2024-05-30 20:32   ` Josef Bacik
2024-05-30 21:26     ` Bernd Schubert
2024-05-29 18:00 ` [PATCH RFC v2 15/19] export __wake_on_current_cpu Bernd Schubert
2024-05-30 20:37   ` Josef Bacik
2024-06-04  9:26     ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-06-04  9:36       ` Bernd Schubert
2024-06-04 19:27         ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-09-01 12:07           ` Bernd Schubert
2024-05-31 13:51   ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-05-29 18:00 ` [PATCH RFC v2 16/19] fuse: {uring} Wake requests on the the current cpu Bernd Schubert
2024-05-30 16:44   ` Shachar Sharon
2024-05-30 16:59     ` Bernd Schubert
2024-05-29 18:00 ` [PATCH RFC v2 17/19] fuse: {uring} Send async requests to qid of core + 1 Bernd Schubert
2024-05-29 18:00 ` [PATCH RFC v2 18/19] fuse: {uring} Set a min cpu offset io-size for reads/writes Bernd Schubert
2024-05-29 18:00 ` [PATCH RFC v2 19/19] fuse: {uring} Optimize async sends Bernd Schubert
2024-05-31 16:24   ` Jens Axboe
2024-05-31 17:36     ` Bernd Schubert
2024-05-31 19:10       ` Jens Axboe
2024-06-01 16:37         ` Bernd Schubert
2024-05-30  7:07 ` [PATCH RFC v2 00/19] fuse: fuse-over-io-uring Amir Goldstein
2024-05-30 12:09   ` Bernd Schubert
2024-05-30 15:36 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-05-30 16:02   ` Bernd Schubert
2024-05-30 16:10     ` Kent Overstreet
2024-05-30 16:17       ` Bernd Schubert [this message]
2024-05-30 17:30         ` Kent Overstreet
2024-05-30 19:09         ` Josef Bacik
2024-05-30 20:05           ` Kent Overstreet
2024-05-31  3:53         ` [PATCH] fs: sys_ringbuffer() (WIP) Kent Overstreet
2024-05-31 13:11           ` kernel test robot
2024-05-31 15:49           ` kernel test robot
2024-05-30 16:21     ` [PATCH RFC v2 00/19] fuse: fuse-over-io-uring Jens Axboe
2024-05-30 16:32       ` Bernd Schubert
2024-05-30 17:26         ` Jens Axboe
2024-05-30 17:16       ` Kent Overstreet
2024-05-30 17:28         ` Jens Axboe
2024-05-30 17:58           ` Kent Overstreet
2024-05-30 18:48             ` Jens Axboe
2024-05-30 19:35               ` Kent Overstreet
2024-05-31  0:11                 ` Jens Axboe
2024-06-04 23:45       ` Ming Lei
2024-05-30 20:47 ` Josef Bacik
2024-06-11  8:20 ` Miklos Szeredi
2024-06-11 10:26   ` Bernd Schubert
2024-06-11 15:35     ` Miklos Szeredi
2024-06-11 17:37       ` Bernd Schubert
2024-06-11 23:35         ` Kent Overstreet
2024-06-12 13:53           ` Bernd Schubert
2024-06-12 14:19             ` Kent Overstreet
2024-06-12 15:40               ` Bernd Schubert
2024-06-12 15:55                 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-06-12 16:15                   ` Bernd Schubert
2024-06-12 16:24                     ` Kent Overstreet
2024-06-12 16:44                       ` Bernd Schubert
2024-06-12  7:39         ` Miklos Szeredi
2024-06-12 13:32           ` Bernd Schubert
2024-06-12 13:46             ` Bernd Schubert
2024-06-12 14:07             ` Miklos Szeredi
2024-06-12 14:56               ` Bernd Schubert
2024-08-02 23:03                 ` Bernd Schubert
2024-08-29 22:32                 ` Bernd Schubert
2024-08-30 13:12                   ` Jens Axboe
2024-08-30 13:28                     ` Bernd Schubert
2024-08-30 13:33                       ` Jens Axboe
2024-08-30 14:55                         ` Pavel Begunkov
2024-08-30 15:10                           ` Bernd Schubert
2024-08-30 20:08                           ` Jens Axboe
2024-08-31  0:02                             ` Bernd Schubert
2024-08-31  0:49                               ` Bernd Schubert

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