From: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>
To: linux clustering <linux-cluster@redhat.com>, akpm@osdl.org
Cc: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: GFS, what's remaining
Date: 02 Sep 2005 23:17:08 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <p73fysnqiej.fsf@verdi.suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050901132104.2d643ccd.akpm@osdl.org>
Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org> writes:
>
> > > - Why GFS is better than OCFS2, or has functionality which OCFS2 cannot
> > > possibly gain (or vice versa)
> > >
> > > - Relative merits of the two offerings
> >
> > You missed the important one - people actively use it and have been for
> > some years. Same reason with have NTFS, HPFS, and all the others. On
> > that alone it makes sense to include.
>
> Again, that's not a technical reason. It's _a_ reason, sure. But what are
> the technical reasons for merging gfs[2], ocfs2, both or neither?
There seems to be clearly a need for a shared-storage fs of some sort
for HA clusters and virtualized usage (multiple guests sharing a
partition). Shared storage can be more efficient than network file
systems like NFS because the storage access is often more efficient
than network access and it is more reliable because it doesn't have a
single point of failure in form of the NFS server.
It's also a logical extension of the "failover on failure" clusters
many people run now - instead of only failing over the shared fs at
failure and keeping one machine idle the load can be balanced between
multiple machines at any time.
One argument to merge both might be that nobody really knows yet which
shared-storage file system (GFS or OCFS2) is better. The only way to
find out would be to let the user base try out both, and that's most
practical when they're merged.
Personally I think ocfs2 has nicer&cleaner code than GFS.
It seems to be more or less a 64bit ext3 with cluster support, while
GFS seems to reinvent a lot more things and has somewhat uglier code.
On the other hand GFS' cluster support seems to be more aimed
at being a universal cluster service open for other usages too,
which might be a good thing. OCFS2s cluster seems to be more
aimed at only serving the file system.
But which one works better in practice is really an open question.
The only thing that should be probably resolved is a common API
for at least the clustered lock manager. Having multiple
incompatible user space APIs for that would be sad.
-Andi
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2005-09-02 21:17 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 105+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-09-01 10:46 GFS, what's remaining David Teigland
2005-09-01 10:42 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-09-01 10:59 ` Andrew Morton
2005-09-01 14:49 ` Alan Cox
2005-09-01 14:27 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-09-01 15:28 ` Alan Cox
2005-09-01 15:11 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-09-01 17:56 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-09-02 7:04 ` David Teigland
2005-09-01 17:23 ` Daniel Phillips
2005-09-01 20:21 ` Andrew Morton
2005-09-02 21:17 ` Andi Kleen [this message]
2005-09-02 23:03 ` Bryan Henderson
2005-09-03 0:16 ` Mark Fasheh
2005-09-03 6:42 ` Daniel Phillips
2005-09-03 6:46 ` Wim Coekaerts
2005-09-03 22:21 ` Daniel Phillips
2005-09-04 1:09 ` [Linux-cluster] " Joel Becker
2005-09-04 1:32 ` Andrew Morton
2005-09-04 3:06 ` Joel Becker
2005-09-04 4:22 ` [Linux-cluster] " Daniel Phillips
2005-09-04 4:30 ` Joel Becker
2005-09-04 4:51 ` Daniel Phillips
2005-09-04 5:00 ` Joel Becker
2005-09-04 5:52 ` [Linux-cluster] " Daniel Phillips
2005-09-04 5:56 ` Joel Becker
2005-09-04 4:46 ` Andrew Morton
2005-09-04 4:58 ` Joel Becker
2005-09-04 5:41 ` Andrew Morton
2005-09-04 5:49 ` Joel Becker
2005-09-05 4:30 ` David Teigland
2005-09-05 8:54 ` [Linux-cluster] " Andrew Morton
2005-09-05 9:24 ` David Teigland
2005-09-05 9:19 ` [Linux-cluster] " Andrew Morton
2005-09-05 9:30 ` Daniel Phillips
2005-09-05 9:48 ` David Teigland
2005-09-05 12:21 ` Alan Cox
2005-09-05 19:53 ` [Linux-cluster] " Andrew Morton
2005-09-05 23:20 ` Alan Cox
2005-09-05 23:06 ` Andrew Morton
2005-09-14 9:01 ` [Linux-cluster] " Patrick Caulfield
2005-09-05 19:11 ` kurt.hackel
2005-09-04 6:10 ` Mark Fasheh
2005-09-04 7:23 ` Andrew Morton
2005-09-04 8:17 ` Mark Fasheh
2005-09-04 8:37 ` Andrew Morton
2005-09-04 6:40 ` [Linux-cluster] " Daniel Phillips
2005-09-04 7:28 ` Andrew Morton
2005-09-04 8:01 ` [Linux-cluster] " Joel Becker
2005-09-04 8:18 ` Andrew Morton
2005-09-04 9:11 ` Joel Becker
2005-09-04 9:18 ` [Linux-cluster] " Andrew Morton
2005-09-04 9:39 ` Joel Becker
2005-09-04 18:03 ` [Linux-cluster] " Hua Zhong
2005-09-04 19:51 ` Daniel Phillips
2005-09-04 7:12 ` Hua Zhong
2005-09-04 8:37 ` Alan Cox
2005-09-05 23:32 ` Joel Becker
2005-09-03 5:57 ` Daniel Phillips
2005-09-05 14:14 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-09-05 15:49 ` Daniel Phillips
2005-09-05 16:18 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-09-06 0:57 ` Daniel Phillips
2005-09-06 2:03 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-09-06 4:02 ` Daniel Phillips
2005-09-06 4:07 ` GFS, what's remainingh Dmitry Torokhov
2005-09-06 4:58 ` Daniel Phillips
2005-09-06 5:05 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-09-06 6:48 ` Daniel Phillips
2005-09-06 6:55 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-09-06 7:18 ` Daniel Phillips
2005-09-06 14:31 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-09-06 13:42 ` Alan Cox
2005-09-03 7:06 ` GFS, what's remaining Wim Coekaerts
2005-09-06 12:55 ` Suparna Bhattacharya
2005-09-03 5:18 ` David Teigland
2005-09-03 6:14 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-09-03 6:42 ` D. Hazelton
2005-09-03 10:35 ` David Teigland
2005-09-03 20:56 ` Daniel Phillips
2005-09-04 20:33 ` Pavel Machek
2005-09-04 22:18 ` Joel Becker
2005-09-05 5:54 ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-09-05 7:09 ` Mark Fasheh
2005-09-05 14:07 ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-09-05 8:27 ` real read-only [was Re: GFS, what's remaining] Pavel Machek
2005-09-05 14:03 ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-09-05 10:44 ` Re: GFS, what's remaining Stephen C. Tweedie
2005-09-05 16:41 ` Greg Freemyer
2005-09-01 11:35 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-09-02 9:44 ` David Teigland
2005-09-02 11:46 ` Jörn Engel
2005-09-03 5:28 ` Greg KH
2005-09-05 3:47 ` David Teigland
2005-09-05 8:58 ` Jörn Engel
2005-09-05 9:18 ` David Teigland
2005-09-05 5:43 ` David Teigland
2005-09-05 6:32 ` Pekka Enberg
2005-09-05 7:55 ` David Teigland
2005-09-05 8:00 ` Pekka Enberg
2005-09-10 10:11 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-09-05 6:29 ` David Teigland
2005-09-08 5:41 ` David Teigland
2005-09-01 12:33 ` Pekka Enberg
2005-09-01 17:27 ` Daniel Phillips
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