From: "Martin K. Petersen" <martin.petersen@oracle.com>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Cc: "Martin K. Petersen" <martin.petersen@oracle.com>,
Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>,
John Garry <john.g.garry@oracle.com>,
"Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org,
linux-block@vger.kernel.org, linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: Do we need an opt-in for file systems use of hw atomic writes?
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2025 08:45:07 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <yq15xft65vi.fsf@ca-mkp.ca.oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250715060044.GB18349@lst.de> (Christoph Hellwig's message of "Tue, 15 Jul 2025 08:00:44 +0200")
Hi Christoph!
>> For PCIe transport devices maybe we could consider adding an additional
>> heuristic based on something like PLP or VWC?
>
> What would you check there? Atomic writes work perfectly fine if not
> better with volatile write caches.
What I propose is making sure we only enable atomics when several
independent device-reported values line up and are mutually consistent.
Just like we do in SCSI.
Maybe something like this:
if (NSFEAT & NSABP &&
is_power_of_2(NAWUPF) &&
NAWUPF <= NAWUN &&
NAWUPF <= MDTS &&
NAWUPF % NPWG == 0)
It would be good to have more Identify Controller data in there to
validate against. But since we want to fix up AWUN and AWUPF in the
spec, we shouldn't depend on those.
I just wonder if there is something else from either PCIe config space
or Identify Controller we could add to weed out rando consumer devices
that seed their Identify buffers with garbage. A heuristic like "you
wouldn't possibly want to enable atomics unless the drive also supported
feature XYZ"...
--
Martin K. Petersen
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-07-15 12:45 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-07-14 13:17 Do we need an opt-in for file systems use of hw atomic writes? Christoph Hellwig
2025-07-14 13:24 ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-07-14 13:30 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-07-14 16:04 ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-15 6:00 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-07-15 3:22 ` Martin K. Petersen
2025-07-15 6:00 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-07-15 12:45 ` Martin K. Petersen [this message]
2025-07-14 13:39 ` John Garry
2025-07-14 13:50 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-07-14 15:53 ` John Garry
2025-07-15 6:02 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-07-15 8:42 ` John Garry
2025-07-15 9:03 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-08-19 11:42 ` John Garry
2025-08-19 13:39 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-08-19 14:36 ` John Garry
2025-08-19 14:43 ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-08-19 14:45 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-08-21 14:01 ` Keith Busch
2025-07-15 10:02 ` Christian Brauner
2025-07-15 11:29 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-07-15 12:20 ` Christian Brauner
2025-07-15 11:58 ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-07-14 20:53 ` Dave Chinner
2025-07-15 6:05 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-07-15 20:56 ` Keith Busch
2025-07-16 5:50 ` Nilay Shroff
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