From: "Martin K. Petersen" <martin.petersen@oracle.com>
To: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
Cc: "Martin K. Petersen" <martin.petersen@oracle.com>,
Ric Wheeler <ricwheeler@gmail.com>, Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
linux-block@vger.kernel.org,
Linux FS Devel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
lczerner@redhat.com
Subject: Re: Testing devices for discard support properly
Date: Thu, 09 May 2019 00:35:07 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <yq1d0ksi6tg.fsf@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190509032044.GW1454@dread.disaster.area> (Dave Chinner's message of "Thu, 9 May 2019 13:20:44 +1000")
Dave,
>> The answer is that it depends. It can return zeroes or a
>> device-specific initialization pattern (oh joy).
>
> So they ignore the "write zeroes" part of the command?
I'd have to look to see how ANCHOR and NDOB interact on a WRITE
SAME. That's the closest thing SCSI has to WRITE ZEROES.
You can check whether a device has a non-standard initialization
pattern. It's a bit convoluted given that devices can autonomously
transition blocks between different states based on the initialization
pattern. But again, I don't think anybody has actually implemented this
part of the spec.
>> We have:
>>
>> Allocate and zero: FALLOC_FL_ZERO_RANGE
>> Deallocate and zero: FALLOC_FL_PUNCH_HOLE
>> Deallocate: FALLOC_FL_PUNCH_HOLE | FALLOC_FL_NO_HIDE_STALE
>> but are missing:
>>
>> Allocate: FALLOC_FL_ZERO_RANGE | FALLOC_FL_NO_HIDE_STALE
Copy and paste error. "Allocate:" would be FALLOC_FL_NO_HIDE_STALE in
the ANCHOR case. It's really just a preallocation but the blocks could
contain something other than zeroes depending on the device.
> So we've defined the fallocate flags to have /completely/ different
> behaviour on block devices to filesystems.
Are you referring to the "Allocate" case or something else? From
fallocate(2):
"Specifying the FALLOC_FL_ZERO_RANGE flag [...] zeroes space [...].
Within the specified range, blocks are preallocated for the regions that
span the holes in the file. After a successful call, subsequent reads
from this range will return zeroes."
"Specifying the FALLOC_FL_PUNCH_HOLE flag [...] deallocates space [...].
Within the specified range, partial filesystem blocks are zeroed, and
whole filesystem blocks are removed from the file. After a successful
call, subsequent reads from this range will return zeroes."
That matches the block device behavior as far as I'm concerned.
--
Martin K. Petersen Oracle Linux Engineering
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-05-09 4:35 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-05-06 20:56 Testing devices for discard support properly Ric Wheeler
2019-05-07 7:10 ` Lukas Czerner
2019-05-07 8:48 ` Jan Tulak
2019-05-07 9:40 ` Lukas Czerner
2019-05-07 12:57 ` Ric Wheeler
2019-05-07 15:35 ` Bryan Gurney
2019-05-07 15:44 ` Ric Wheeler
2019-05-07 20:09 ` Bryan Gurney
2019-05-07 21:24 ` Chris Mason
2019-06-03 20:01 ` Ric Wheeler
2019-05-07 8:21 ` Nikolay Borisov
2019-05-07 22:04 ` Dave Chinner
2019-05-08 0:07 ` Ric Wheeler
2019-05-08 1:14 ` Dave Chinner
2019-05-08 15:05 ` Ric Wheeler
2019-05-08 17:03 ` Martin K. Petersen
2019-05-08 17:09 ` Ric Wheeler
2019-05-08 17:25 ` Martin K. Petersen
2019-05-08 18:12 ` Ric Wheeler
2019-05-09 16:02 ` Bryan Gurney
2019-05-09 17:27 ` Ric Wheeler
2019-05-09 20:35 ` Bryan Gurney
2019-05-08 21:58 ` Dave Chinner
2019-05-09 2:29 ` Martin K. Petersen
2019-05-09 3:20 ` Dave Chinner
2019-05-09 4:35 ` Martin K. Petersen [this message]
2019-05-08 16:16 ` Martin K. Petersen
2019-05-08 22:31 ` Dave Chinner
2019-05-09 3:55 ` Martin K. Petersen
2019-05-09 13:40 ` Ric Wheeler
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