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From: "Martin K. Petersen" <martin.petersen@oracle.com>
To: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
Cc: "Martin K. Petersen" <martin.petersen@oracle.com>,
	Ric Wheeler <ricwheeler@gmail.com>, Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	linux-block@vger.kernel.org,
	Linux FS Devel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	lczerner@redhat.com
Subject: Re: Testing devices for discard support properly
Date: Thu, 09 May 2019 00:35:07 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <yq1d0ksi6tg.fsf@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190509032044.GW1454@dread.disaster.area> (Dave Chinner's message of "Thu, 9 May 2019 13:20:44 +1000")


Dave,

>> The answer is that it depends. It can return zeroes or a
>> device-specific initialization pattern (oh joy).
>
> So they ignore the "write zeroes" part of the command?

I'd have to look to see how ANCHOR and NDOB interact on a WRITE
SAME. That's the closest thing SCSI has to WRITE ZEROES.

You can check whether a device has a non-standard initialization
pattern. It's a bit convoluted given that devices can autonomously
transition blocks between different states based on the initialization
pattern. But again, I don't think anybody has actually implemented this
part of the spec.

>> We have:
>> 
>>    Allocate and zero:	FALLOC_FL_ZERO_RANGE
>>    Deallocate and zero:	FALLOC_FL_PUNCH_HOLE
>>    Deallocate:		FALLOC_FL_PUNCH_HOLE | FALLOC_FL_NO_HIDE_STALE
>> but are missing:
>> 
>>    Allocate:		FALLOC_FL_ZERO_RANGE | FALLOC_FL_NO_HIDE_STALE

Copy and paste error. "Allocate:" would be FALLOC_FL_NO_HIDE_STALE in
the ANCHOR case. It's really just a preallocation but the blocks could
contain something other than zeroes depending on the device.

> So we've defined the fallocate flags to have /completely/ different
> behaviour on block devices to filesystems.

Are you referring to the "Allocate" case or something else? From
fallocate(2):

"Specifying the FALLOC_FL_ZERO_RANGE flag [...] zeroes space [...].
Within the specified range, blocks are preallocated for the regions that
span the holes in the file.  After a successful call, subsequent reads
from this range will return zeroes."

"Specifying the FALLOC_FL_PUNCH_HOLE flag [...] deallocates space [...].
Within the specified range, partial filesystem blocks are zeroed, and
whole filesystem blocks are removed from the file.  After a successful
call, subsequent reads from this range will return zeroes."

That matches the block device behavior as far as I'm concerned.

-- 
Martin K. Petersen	Oracle Linux Engineering

  reply	other threads:[~2019-05-09  4:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-05-06 20:56 Testing devices for discard support properly Ric Wheeler
2019-05-07  7:10 ` Lukas Czerner
2019-05-07  8:48   ` Jan Tulak
2019-05-07  9:40     ` Lukas Czerner
2019-05-07 12:57       ` Ric Wheeler
2019-05-07 15:35         ` Bryan Gurney
2019-05-07 15:44           ` Ric Wheeler
2019-05-07 20:09             ` Bryan Gurney
2019-05-07 21:24               ` Chris Mason
2019-06-03 20:01                 ` Ric Wheeler
2019-05-07  8:21 ` Nikolay Borisov
2019-05-07 22:04 ` Dave Chinner
2019-05-08  0:07   ` Ric Wheeler
2019-05-08  1:14     ` Dave Chinner
2019-05-08 15:05       ` Ric Wheeler
2019-05-08 17:03         ` Martin K. Petersen
2019-05-08 17:09           ` Ric Wheeler
2019-05-08 17:25             ` Martin K. Petersen
2019-05-08 18:12               ` Ric Wheeler
2019-05-09 16:02                 ` Bryan Gurney
2019-05-09 17:27                   ` Ric Wheeler
2019-05-09 20:35                     ` Bryan Gurney
2019-05-08 21:58             ` Dave Chinner
2019-05-09  2:29               ` Martin K. Petersen
2019-05-09  3:20                 ` Dave Chinner
2019-05-09  4:35                   ` Martin K. Petersen [this message]
2019-05-08 16:16   ` Martin K. Petersen
2019-05-08 22:31     ` Dave Chinner
2019-05-09  3:55       ` Martin K. Petersen
2019-05-09 13:40         ` Ric Wheeler

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