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From: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
To: Rob Herring <robh+dt@kernel.org>
Cc: "Mark Brown" <broonie@kernel.org>,
	"Greg Kroah-Hartman" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Tomeu Vizoso" <tomeu.vizoso@collabora.com>,
	"Russell King" <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	"Michael Turquette" <mturquette@baylibre.com>,
	"Stephen Boyd" <sboyd@codeaurora.org>,
	"Vinod Koul" <vinod.koul@intel.com>,
	"Dan Williams" <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	"Linus Walleij" <linus.walleij@linaro.org>,
	"Alexandre Courbot" <gnurou@gmail.com>,
	"Thierry Reding" <thierry.reding@gmail.com>,
	"David Airlie" <airlied@linux.ie>,
	"Terje Bergström" <tbergstrom@nvidia.com>,
	"Stephen Warren" <swarren@wwwdotorg.org>,
	"Wolfram Sang" <wsa@the-dreams.de>,
	"Frank Rowand" <frowand.list@gmail.com>,
	"Grant Likely" <grant.likely@linaro.org>,
	"Kishon Vijay Abraham I" <kishon@ti.com>,
	"Sebastian Reichel" <sre@kernel.org>,
	"Dmitry Eremin-Solenikov" <dbaryshkov@gmail.com>,
	"Liam Girdwood" <lgirdwood@gmail.com>, "Felipe Balbi" <balbi@ti.>
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 13:47:50 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1445258870.53393.173.camel@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAL_JsqKehmSobpbdeXGo=-1pAbtrhCHovyyCWya_MNOhGCi8CQ@mail.gmail.com>

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On Mon, 2015-10-19 at 07:35 -0500, Rob Herring wrote:
> 
> > Certainly, if it literally is adding of_* calls then that would seem to
> > be gratuitously firmware-specific. Nothing should be using those these
> > days; any new code should be using the generic device property APIs
> > (except in special cases).
> 
> See version 2 of the series[1] which did that. It became obvious that
> was pointless because the call paths ended up looking like this:
> 
> Generic subsystem code -> DT look-up code -> fwnode_probe_device ->
> of_probe_device

You link to a thread which says that "AT LEAST CURRENTLY, the calling
locations [the 'DT look-up code' you mention above] are DT specific
functions anyway.

But the point I'm making is that we are working towards *fixing* that,
and *not* using DT-specific code in places where we should be using the
generic APIs.

Sure, Russell is probably right that there are some places where the
generic APIs need fixing because they don't quite cover all use cases
yet.

And Mark is (unfortunately) right that some people are inventing new
bindings *purely* for ACPI which are different to the DT bindings for
the same device. But still, in those cases you'll theoretically be able
to see the *same* device represented under ACPI with *either* its new
ACPI HID and the ACPI-specific bindings, *or* as a PRP0001 with the DT
bindings. And this was always possible even with just DT — you could
have two incompatible bindings for the *same* hardware, with different
drivers. It was just a bad thing. And still is when one is ACPI and one
is DT, in my opinion.

None of that really negates that fact that we are *working* on cleaning
these code paths up to be firmware-agnostic, and the fact that we
haven't got to this one *yet* isn't necessarily a good reason to make
it *worse* by adding new firmware-specificity to it.

-- 
dwmw2


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  reply	other threads:[~2015-10-19 12:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-10-14  8:34 [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing Tomeu Vizoso
2015-10-14  9:26 ` Mark Brown
2015-10-15 11:42   ` Tomeu Vizoso
     [not found]     ` <1444909328-24761-1-git-send-email-tomeu.vizoso-ZGY8ohtN/8qB+jHODAdFcQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-16 21:23       ` Olof Johansson
2015-10-17 15:19         ` Rob Herring
2015-10-19 16:52           ` Olof Johansson
2015-10-17  6:57 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-10-17 15:04   ` Rob Herring
2015-10-17 15:47     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-10-17 16:28       ` Rob Herring
2015-10-17 16:56         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-10-17 17:54           ` Rob Clark
2015-10-17 18:27             ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-10-17 18:45               ` Rob Clark
2015-10-17 18:59                 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-10-17 19:39                   ` Rob Clark
2015-10-17 20:22                     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-10-17 19:04                 ` Noralf Trønnes
2015-10-17 19:48                   ` Rob Clark
2015-10-18 19:41       ` Mark Brown
2015-10-18 19:29   ` Mark Brown
2015-10-18 19:37     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-10-18 19:53       ` Mark Brown
2015-10-19  9:44         ` David Woodhouse
2015-10-19  9:52           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-10-19 11:02           ` Mark Brown
2015-10-19 12:35           ` Rob Herring
2015-10-19 12:47             ` David Woodhouse [this message]
2015-10-19 14:50               ` Mark Brown
2015-10-19 15:29                 ` David Woodhouse
2015-10-19 15:43                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-10-19 18:27                     ` Uwe Kleine-König
2015-10-19 18:39                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-10-19 23:47                         ` Alexandre Courbot
2015-10-20  7:14                           ` gpiod API considerations [Was: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing] Uwe Kleine-König
2015-10-20 11:12                     ` [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing David Woodhouse
2015-10-19 15:58                   ` Rob Herring
2015-10-19 21:40                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-10-19 22:58                       ` Rob Herring
     [not found]                         ` <CAL_JsqKa3MFJUWKV2KxPE_NmrP2g4dOD3zr+0Kyx4yBkDOg2HA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-20  7:56                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-10-20 14:15                             ` Rob Herring
     [not found]                               ` <CAL_JsqJuu5_Osqi+X6M6UeRDZFQB+_8riYDF1gvsGayk5-4SFw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-20 14:40                                 ` Alan Stern
2015-10-20 15:36                                   ` Mark Brown
2015-10-20 16:04                                     ` Alan Stern
2015-10-20 16:21                                       ` Tomeu Vizoso
2015-10-20 17:14                                         ` Alan Stern
2015-10-20 19:35                                           ` Mark Brown
2015-10-20 23:35                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-10-21  6:15                                               ` Jean-Francois Moine
2015-10-22  0:54                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-10-22  9:14                                           ` Tomeu Vizoso
2015-10-27  5:03                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-10-20 23:34                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-10-21  8:55                                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-10-21 23:39                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-10-19 16:04                   ` Mark Brown
2015-10-19 12:34         ` Tomeu Vizoso
2015-10-19 13:18           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
     [not found]             ` <20151019131821.GA32532-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-19 14:10               ` Tomeu Vizoso
2015-10-19 14:30                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-10-19 15:00                   ` Tomeu Vizoso
2015-10-19 15:35                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-10-19 16:21                       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-10-19 16:45                         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-10-20 15:46                         ` Alternative approach to solve the deferred probe (was: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing) Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-10-21  3:58                           ` Alternative approach to solve the deferred probe Frank Rowand
2015-10-21  8:18                             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-10-21 15:36                               ` Frank Rowand
2015-10-21 16:55                                 ` Grygorii Strashko
2015-10-21 17:20                                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-10-21 18:13                                     ` Grygorii Strashko
2015-10-21 18:28                                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-10-22 15:12                                         ` Grygorii Strashko
2015-10-21 18:02                                   ` Frank Rowand
2015-10-21 18:29                                     ` Grygorii Strashko
2015-10-21 20:35                                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-10-22  0:05                                   ` Frank Rowand
2015-10-22 13:20                           ` Alternative approach to solve the deferred probe (was: [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing) Mark Brown
     [not found]           ` <CAAObsKB2BUZ-smid45wOdAQw6h2yNqCydk+azAFNk69ewHJtZQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-21 15:59             ` [GIT PULL] On-demand device probing Frank Rowand
2015-10-21 16:27               ` Mark Brown
2015-10-21 18:18                 ` Frank Rowand
2015-10-21 21:03                   ` Mark Brown
2015-10-21 21:12                   ` Rob Herring
2015-10-21 21:50                     ` Frank Rowand
2015-10-22  9:05                       ` Tomeu Vizoso
2015-10-22 14:38                         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-10-22 14:44                         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
     [not found]                           ` <20151022144405.GC21861-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-22 15:02                             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-10-22 23:33                               ` Mark Brown
2015-10-22 18:53                           ` Frank Rowand
2015-10-22 19:26                             ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
     [not found]                               ` <20151022192639.GC27248-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-23 12:28                                 ` Tomeu Vizoso
     [not found]                             ` <562930AB.1070203-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-23 15:45                               ` Tim Bird
2015-10-23 16:34                                 ` Rob Herring
2015-10-24 14:17                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-10-24 22:06                                     ` Mark Brown
2015-10-25 13:54                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-10-26  1:12                                         ` Mark Brown
2015-10-26 10:51                                         ` Michael Turquette
2015-10-26 12:55                                           ` Tomeu Vizoso
2015-10-26 23:37                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-10-25 19:45                                 ` Andrew F. Davis
2015-10-24 17:55                             ` Geert Uytterhoeven

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