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From: Michael Welling <mwelling@ieee.org>
To: Linus Walleij <linus.walleij@linaro.org>
Cc: Alexandre Courbot <gnurou@gmail.com>,
	folkert <folkert@vanheusden.com>,
	"linux-gpio@vger.kernel.org" <linux-gpio@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Fw: [3.18.3] poll() on gpio pins broken
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2015 15:22:58 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150309202258.GA3398@deathray> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CACRpkdZBc3ry_0sOVRpwnTHNZ1M7CmHw9Us_XPen3pQQP0OazA@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Mar 09, 2015 at 04:52:26PM +0100, Linus Walleij wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Alexandre Courbot <gnurou@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 7:31 PM, Linus Walleij <linus.walleij@linaro.org> wrote:
> >> On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 9:27 AM, Alexandre Courbot <gnurou@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> It really comes down to how user-space wants to access GPIOs. I
> >>> suspect the majority of sysfs accesses is done by scripts and other
> >>> simple programs. If we introduce a char device that takes requires
> >>> ioctls, it is then customary to add a small user-space library to
> >>> abstract that (for both convenience and safety - think libdrm). Do we
> >>> want to maintain libgpio?
> >>
> >> Good point.
> >>
> >> We have no clue about how the majority out there use the GPIO
> >> sysfs, but I have heard of mission-critical systems just hammering
> >> GPIOs from userspace.
> >>
> >> Sadly many of these industrial users are "I just want it to work, now"
> >> types and they don't step forward much on these mailing lists.
> >> (Learned from private conversations...)
> >>
> >> Maybe if noone voice their opinion and offer to help with this, we can
> >> assume they don't exist (well obviously a community does not exist)
> >> and their specific needs be ignored until they put their money where
> >> their mouth is.
> >
> > That's the only way we can handle the situation if people don't
> > manifest their needs. But does this mean that you would agree with a
> > cleaner, multi-GPIO friendly sysfs-based solution, or I am
> > misunderstanding you?
> 
> I guess I'm just a bit grumpy.
> 
> Whoever comes up with a cleaner sysfs or a clean device interface
> will win the argument and lock the path for the other approach.
> It's like a forking path with no going back or something.

There is no need to fork and in fact it would probably be a bad idea.

At EMAC we support both sysfs and character device simultaneously.
Sysfs for the ease of use and ioctl for real time advantages.

Not saying that it is a good reference but the two interfaces "could" co-exist.

> 
> Yours,
> Linus Walleij

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-03-09 20:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-01-29 15:29 Fw: [3.18.3] poll() on gpio pins broken folkert
2015-01-30 23:45 ` Michael Welling
2015-01-31  8:33   ` folkert
2015-01-31 13:39     ` Alexandre Courbot
2015-01-31 13:53       ` folkert
2015-02-03  9:03       ` Michael Welling
2015-02-13  3:43         ` Linus Walleij
2015-02-19  8:53           ` folkert
2015-02-19 16:52             ` Linus Walleij
2015-02-26 10:27               ` Alexandre Courbot
2015-02-27 13:15                 ` Linus Walleij
2015-02-27 13:19                   ` folkert
2015-03-02  6:20                     ` Alexandre Courbot
2015-03-02  6:16                   ` Alexandre Courbot
2015-03-02  7:27                     ` Michael Welling
2015-03-03  8:27                       ` Alexandre Courbot
2015-03-03 10:31                         ` Linus Walleij
2015-03-04 12:43                           ` Alexandre Courbot
2015-03-09 15:52                             ` Linus Walleij
2015-03-09 19:02                               ` folkert
2015-03-09 20:22                               ` Michael Welling [this message]
2015-03-17 16:39                                 ` Linus Walleij
2015-03-17 16:47                                   ` Michael Welling
2015-03-19  8:30                                     ` Linus Walleij
2015-02-26 10:29             ` Alexandre Courbot

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