From: Kent Gibson <warthog618@gmail.com>
To: Andy Shevchenko <andy.shevchenko@gmail.com>
Cc: Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"open list:GPIO SUBSYSTEM" <linux-gpio@vger.kernel.org>,
Bartosz Golaszewski <bgolaszewski@baylibre.com>,
Linus Walleij <linus.walleij@linaro.org>,
Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v9 08/20] gpiolib: cdev: support GPIO_V2_GET_LINEINFO_IOCTL and GPIO_V2_GET_LINEINFO_WATCH_IOCTL
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2020 19:56:01 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200925115601.GA216973@sol> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHp75VcmJyNdK8hOKneT3T=t8QyRcU+X+UwfmKCL5SJsniev9g@mail.gmail.com>
On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 01:12:14PM +0300, Andy Shevchenko wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 12:48 PM Kent Gibson <warthog618@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 11:39:03AM +0300, Andy Shevchenko wrote:
> > > On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 5:39 AM Kent Gibson <warthog618@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 06:41:45PM +0300, Andy Shevchenko wrote:
> > > > > On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 5:35 AM Kent Gibson <warthog618@gmail.com> wrote:
>
[snip]
> >
> > Lets say CPU0 is setting 1 and CPU1 setting 2, and assuming the xchg()
> > completes...
> > Your case is not possible - CPU1 would see the value 1 set by CPU0 in the
> > read() and so NOK. Its xchg() would fail as it compares against 0
> > and that also sees the 1 and so fails.
> >
> > What am I missing?
>
> Barriers? That's what documentation says about xchg().
> https://stackoverflow.com/q/20950603/2511795
>
Firstly, the answer in Stackoverflow is from someone who explicitly
acknowledges not being a kernel developer, so they aren't sure.
Secondly, the latest version of the kernel doc [1] says differently than what
is quoted on Stackoverlow - it indicates implementations of atomic_cmpxchg()
must provide its own memory barriers.
The relevant section says "This performs an atomic compare exchange operation
on the atomic value v, with the given old and new values. Like all atomic_xxx
operations, atomic_cmpxchg will only satisfy its atomicity semantics as long
as all other accesses of *v are performed through atomic_xxx operations.
atomic_cmpxchg must provide explicit memory barriers around the operation,
although if the comparison fails then no memory ordering guarantees are required."
Note that this doc is aimed at atomic_cmpxchg() implementors, so I took
that to mean the operation itself must provide the barriers - not
the caller. Also, the sentence only makes sense wrt the
atomic_cmpxchg() implementation - the caller can't decide on memory barriers
if the comparison fails or not.
The memory-barriers.txt they quote is also dated - the atomic section they quote
is moved to atomic_t.txt[2]?
That says that cmpxchg is a RMW op, and that it will perform an
ACQUIRE and RELEASE - for the non-failure case anyway.
Again, I took that to mean it will provide the barriers itself.
And even the old text they quote says those operations IMPLY a memory barrier,
"Any atomic operation that modifies some state in memory and returns
information about the state (old or new) implies an SMP-conditional
general memory barrier (smp_mb()) on each side of the actual operation"
and that "the implicit memory barrier effects are necessary".
Again that indicates the barrier is a part of the op, as it is implicit,
and not necessary to be added separately.
> > > > The atomic_cmpxchg() ensures cdata->watch_abi_version is only set
> > > > once - first in wins. The atomic_read() is so we can check that
> > > > the set version matches what the caller wants.
> > > > Note that multiple callers may request the same version - and all
> > > > should succeed.
> > >
> > > So, that's basically what you need when using _old_ value.
> > >
> > > 0 means you were first, right?
> > > Anything else you simply compare and bail out if it's not the same as
> > > what has been asked.
> > >
> >
> > Could you provide a complete implementation that behaves as I expect,
> > rather than snippets and verbage?
>
> if (atomic_cmpxchg(&cdata..., version) == 0)
> return 0; // we were first!
> return -EPERM; // somebody has changed the version before us!
>
Which can fail if two callers are requesting the same version - in a
race the second one will get a fail - independent of the version they
are requesting.
I keep flip-flopping and twiddling with the implementation of this -
my current one is:
/*
* returns 0 if the versions match, else the previously selected ABI version
*/
static int lineinfo_ensure_abi_version(struct gpio_chardev_data *cdata,
unsigned int version)
{
int abiv = atomic_cmpxchg(&cdata->watch_abi_version, 0, version);
if (abiv == version)
return 0;
return abiv;
}
Does that work for you? (assuming no explicit barriers are necessary)
Cheers,
Kent.
[1] https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v5.8/core-api/atomic_ops.html
[2] https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/atomic_t.txt
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Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-09-22 2:31 [PATCH v9 00/20] gpio: cdev: add uAPI v2 Kent Gibson
2020-09-22 2:31 ` [PATCH v9 01/20] gpiolib: cdev: gpio_desc_to_lineinfo() should set info offset Kent Gibson
2020-09-22 2:31 ` [PATCH v9 02/20] gpiolib: cdev: replace strncpy() with strscpy() Kent Gibson
2020-09-22 2:31 ` [PATCH v9 03/20] gpio: uapi: define GPIO_MAX_NAME_SIZE for array sizes Kent Gibson
2020-09-22 2:31 ` [PATCH v9 04/20] gpio: uapi: define uAPI v2 Kent Gibson
2020-09-22 7:41 ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-09-22 9:50 ` Bartosz Golaszewski
2020-09-22 10:07 ` Kent Gibson
2020-09-28 13:42 ` strace decoding for GPIO uAPI Kent Gibson
2020-09-29 13:20 ` Bartosz Golaszewski
2020-09-29 15:04 ` Kent Gibson
2020-09-29 16:19 ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-09-23 10:04 ` [PATCH v9 04/20] gpio: uapi: define uAPI v2 Andy Shevchenko
2020-09-23 10:30 ` Kent Gibson
2020-09-23 11:16 ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-09-23 12:18 ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-09-23 15:15 ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-09-22 2:31 ` [PATCH v9 05/20] gpiolib: make cdev a build option Kent Gibson
2020-09-22 2:31 ` [PATCH v9 06/20] gpiolib: add build option for CDEV v1 ABI Kent Gibson
2020-09-22 2:31 ` [PATCH v9 07/20] gpiolib: cdev: support GPIO_V2_GET_LINE_IOCTL and GPIO_V2_LINE_GET_VALUES_IOCTL Kent Gibson
2020-09-23 11:11 ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-09-24 8:09 ` Kent Gibson
2020-09-25 10:06 ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-09-26 9:16 ` Kent Gibson
2020-09-27 9:00 ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-09-27 12:39 ` Kent Gibson
2020-09-24 14:29 ` Bartosz Golaszewski
2020-09-22 2:31 ` [PATCH v9 08/20] gpiolib: cdev: support GPIO_V2_GET_LINEINFO_IOCTL and GPIO_V2_GET_LINEINFO_WATCH_IOCTL Kent Gibson
2020-09-23 15:41 ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-09-24 2:39 ` Kent Gibson
2020-09-24 8:39 ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-09-24 9:48 ` Kent Gibson
2020-09-25 10:12 ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-09-25 11:56 ` Kent Gibson [this message]
2020-09-25 14:43 ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-09-25 5:32 ` Kent Gibson
2020-09-22 2:31 ` [PATCH v9 09/20] gpiolib: cdev: support edge detection for uAPI v2 Kent Gibson
2020-09-23 15:47 ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-09-24 3:07 ` Kent Gibson
2020-09-25 9:35 ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-09-25 12:26 ` Kent Gibson
2020-09-25 14:48 ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-09-22 2:31 ` [PATCH v9 10/20] gpiolib: cdev: support GPIO_V2_LINE_SET_CONFIG_IOCTL Kent Gibson
2020-09-23 16:14 ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-09-23 16:15 ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-09-24 3:24 ` Kent Gibson
2020-09-24 8:26 ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-09-24 9:26 ` Kent Gibson
2020-09-25 9:49 ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-09-22 2:31 ` [PATCH v9 11/20] gpiolib: cdev: support GPIO_V2_LINE_SET_VALUES_IOCTL Kent Gibson
2020-09-23 16:18 ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-09-24 7:32 ` Kent Gibson
2020-09-24 8:21 ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-09-24 9:08 ` Kent Gibson
2020-09-24 12:46 ` Kent Gibson
2020-09-25 9:57 ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-09-25 12:16 ` Kent Gibson
2020-09-22 2:31 ` [PATCH v9 12/20] gpiolib: cdev: support setting debounce Kent Gibson
2020-09-23 16:27 ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-09-24 7:48 ` Kent Gibson
2020-09-25 9:43 ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-09-22 2:31 ` [PATCH v9 13/20] gpio: uapi: document uAPI v1 as deprecated Kent Gibson
2020-09-22 7:49 ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-09-22 8:11 ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-09-22 9:05 ` Kent Gibson
2020-09-22 2:31 ` [PATCH v9 14/20] tools: gpio: port lsgpio to v2 uAPI Kent Gibson
2020-09-22 2:31 ` [PATCH v9 15/20] tools: gpio: port gpio-watch " Kent Gibson
2020-09-22 2:31 ` [PATCH v9 16/20] tools: gpio: rename nlines to num_lines Kent Gibson
2020-09-22 2:31 ` [PATCH v9 17/20] tools: gpio: port gpio-hammer to v2 uAPI Kent Gibson
2020-09-23 16:30 ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-09-24 7:50 ` Kent Gibson
2020-09-22 2:31 ` [PATCH v9 18/20] tools: gpio: port gpio-event-mon " Kent Gibson
2020-09-22 2:31 ` [PATCH v9 19/20] tools: gpio: add multi-line monitoring to gpio-event-mon Kent Gibson
2020-09-22 2:31 ` [PATCH v9 20/20] tools: gpio: add debounce support " Kent Gibson
2020-09-23 16:35 ` [PATCH v9 00/20] gpio: cdev: add uAPI v2 Andy Shevchenko
2020-09-24 8:00 ` Kent Gibson
2020-09-25 9:44 ` Andy Shevchenko
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