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From: Markus Pargmann <mpa@pengutronix.de>
To: Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>
Cc: Linus Walleij <linus.walleij@linaro.org>,
	Alexandre Courbot <gnurou@gmail.com>,
	"linux-gpio@vger.kernel.org" <linux-gpio@vger.kernel.org>,
	Johan Hovold <johan@kernel.org>,
	Alexandre Courbot <acourbot@nvidia.com>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Michael Welling <mwelling@ieee.org>,
	Amit Kucheria <amit.kucheria@linaro.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/6] GPIO character device skeleton
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2015 08:39:13 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2109736.Oi4ERkUO0L@adelgunde> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20151101024144.GF28319@sirena.org.uk>

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On Sunday 01 November 2015 11:41:44 Mark Brown wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 08:47:14PM +0100, Linus Walleij wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 2:55 AM, Alexandre Courbot <gnurou@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > > * For all the justified hate that sysfs got, it had the advantage of
> > > being directly accessible using only the shell. If we replace it with
> > > a character device interface, I think we will need a "libgpio" (that
> > > provides easy access to C programs) and "gpio-tools" (simple
> > > command-line tools that provide functionality similar to the sysfs
> > > interface). Are we ready to start and maintain these? Granted, it
> > > should not be too much work, but it's still an extra.
> 
> > I think the raw ioctl()s will be simple enough and intend to use
> > the tools/gpio/* as proper examples. If we need
> > tools/gpio/swiss-army-knife.c we will add it too.
> 
> > ALSA and fbdev and MESA and libusb spawned huge userspace
> > libs, but I hope this ioctl() ABI will be simple enough that apps
> > can use it directly without a lib. But what do I know.
> 
> That only works for very C like languages, for other languages (things
> like scripting languages in particular) you're going to need a library
> for the language to bind to in order to be usable.

I think we need real gpio userspace tools for such a chardev interface and not
only a library. On the one hand there are all the kernel/userspace developers
that just want to test stuff. On the other hand there are really a lot of
people that are using small embedded devices (e.g. beaglebone, raspberry pi,
...) for really simple applications like using GPIOs to control something. I am
sure many of them are just using some really simple bash code to reach their
goals.

Best Regards,

Markus

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  reply	other threads:[~2015-11-03  7:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-10-22  8:32 [PATCH 0/6] GPIO character device skeleton Linus Walleij
2015-10-22  8:32 ` [PATCH 1/6] gpio: make the gpiochip a real device Linus Walleij
2015-10-24 18:09   ` Markus Pargmann
2015-10-25  7:06   ` Alexandre Courbot
2015-10-26  2:12     ` Mark Brown
2015-11-03 21:20     ` Linus Walleij
2015-11-02 10:31   ` Johan Hovold
2015-11-02 12:25     ` Mark Brown
2015-11-02 12:43       ` Johan Hovold
2015-11-02 12:47         ` Mark Brown
2015-11-02 12:53           ` Johan Hovold
2015-11-02 13:06             ` Mark Brown
2015-11-02 13:14               ` Johan Hovold
2015-11-02 13:17                 ` Mark Brown
2015-11-02 13:25                   ` Johan Hovold
2015-11-03 21:24     ` Linus Walleij
2015-11-04 10:48       ` Linus Walleij
2015-11-05  9:44         ` Johan Hovold
2015-11-05 10:29           ` Mark Brown
2015-11-16 14:27           ` Linus Walleij
2015-12-03 14:04             ` Linus Walleij
2015-12-03 14:06               ` Linus Walleij
2015-12-03 21:26                 ` Michael Welling
2015-12-04 22:31                 ` Michael Welling
2015-12-11 17:58                   ` Linus Walleij
2015-12-08  9:29               ` Johan Hovold
2015-12-11 18:06                 ` Linus Walleij
2015-10-22  8:32 ` [PATCH 2/6] gpio: refer to gpio device in prints and debugfs Linus Walleij
2015-10-22  8:32 ` [PATCH 3/6] gpio: add a userspace chardev ABI for GPIOs Linus Walleij
2015-10-22 20:35   ` Michael Welling
2015-10-24  0:30   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2016-01-28 11:13     ` Linus Walleij
2015-10-26  1:34   ` Mark Brown
2016-01-27 10:05   ` Bamvor Zhang Jian
2016-01-28 11:14     ` Linus Walleij
2016-01-29 10:24       ` Bamvor Zhang Jian
2016-02-10 10:04         ` Linus Walleij
2015-10-22  8:32 ` [PATCH 4/6] tools/gpio: create GPIO tools Linus Walleij
2015-10-25  8:23   ` Alexandre Courbot
2015-10-22  8:32 ` [PATCH 5/6] gpio: add a userspace character device ABI Linus Walleij
2015-10-24 18:46   ` Markus Pargmann
2015-10-22  8:32 ` [PATCH 6/6] gpio: ABI: mark the sysfs ABI as obsolete Linus Walleij
2015-10-22 18:57 ` [PATCH 0/6] GPIO character device skeleton Michael Welling
2015-10-24 17:53 ` Markus Pargmann
2015-10-30 14:40   ` Linus Walleij
2015-11-02 10:00     ` Johan Hovold
2015-10-24 18:42 ` Markus Pargmann
2015-10-30  1:55   ` Alexandre Courbot
2015-10-30 19:48     ` Linus Walleij
2015-11-02 10:13       ` Johan Hovold
2015-11-03  7:23         ` Markus Pargmann
2015-11-03 12:06           ` Johan Hovold
2015-11-03 17:18             ` Linus Walleij
2015-11-04 19:44               ` Michael Welling
2015-11-05  9:40               ` Johan Hovold
2015-11-05 14:11                 ` Linus Walleij
2015-11-06 10:21                   ` Johan Hovold
2015-11-16 13:33                     ` Linus Walleij
2015-11-03 17:05           ` Linus Walleij
2015-10-30 14:43   ` Linus Walleij
2015-10-30 22:54     ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-11-01  9:37       ` Linus Walleij
2015-11-02 10:16         ` Johan Hovold
2015-10-26  2:18 ` Mark Brown
2015-10-30  1:55 ` Alexandre Courbot
2015-10-30 19:47   ` Linus Walleij
2015-11-01  2:41     ` Mark Brown
2015-11-03  7:39       ` Markus Pargmann [this message]
2015-11-03  8:50         ` Mark Brown
2015-11-03 10:21           ` Amit Kucheria
2015-11-03 17:06           ` Linus Walleij

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