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From: Linus Walleij <linus.walleij@linaro.org>
To: Andy Shevchenko <andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com>
Cc: "Nuno Sá" <nuno.sa@analog.com>,
	linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org, devicetree@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-gpio@vger.kernel.org,
	"Krzysztof Kozlowski" <krzysztof.kozlowski+dt@linaro.org>,
	"Bartosz Golaszewski" <brgl@bgdev.pl>,
	"Frank Rowand" <frowand.list@gmail.com>,
	"Mika Westerberg" <mika.westerberg@linux.intel.com>,
	"Rob Herring" <robh+dt@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/4] gpiolib: add support for bias pull disable
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2022 12:44:33 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CACRpkdbc=ogONYXTM6dbe7sJp6syG0sDFfBi1ZTc0YJtoxbJjg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Ys8CpqYhWp7zVNC8@smile.fi.intel.com>

On Wed, Jul 13, 2022 at 7:37 PM Andy Shevchenko
<andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 13, 2022 at 03:14:18PM +0200, Nuno Sá wrote:
> > This change prepares the gpio core to look at firmware flags and set
> > 'FLAG_BIAS_DISABLE' if necessary. It works in similar way to
> > 'GPIO_PULL_DOWN' and 'GPIO_PULL_UP'.
>
> ...
>
> >       GPIO_PULL_UP                    = (1 << 4),
> >       GPIO_PULL_DOWN                  = (1 << 5),
> > +     GPIO_PULL_DISABLE               = (1 << 6),
>
> To me it seems superfluous. You have already two flags:
> PUp
> PDown
> When none is set --> Pdisable

What happens in the pin control case for some drivers at least is that
the machine
comes up with some pull up/downs enabled (by power-on default or from
the boot loader), and some systems need to explicitly disable these
pulls.

In these (device tree) cases they set bias-disable; in the device tree, and
the driver will actively disable any pull up/down.

OK this is maybe not the most elegant system engineering. But some of
those users are hobbyists and cannot affect what the ASIC or firmware
is doing, because vendors are not really listening.

Another semantic reason is that pins can also be set to bias-high-impedance;
which is what "some people" would assume is the default if you disable
both pull up and pull down. (Yeah ... semantics...)

Device tree also has bias-pull-pin-default; to make things more complicated.
This should *really* leave it at power-on default. Explicitly.

I think for Nuno's usecase (using a random pin from userspace) the state
of biasing cannot be assumed, the driver will not change bias to
disabled just because neither pull up or down is specified, so the driver
needs an explicit kick saying "disable any bias".

Yours,
Linus Walleij

  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-07-18 10:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-07-13 13:14 [PATCH 0/4] add support for bias pull-disable Nuno Sá
2022-07-13 13:14 ` [PATCH 1/4] gpiolib: add support for bias pull disable Nuno Sá
2022-07-13 17:36   ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-07-14  4:20     ` Kent Gibson
2022-07-14  7:14       ` Nuno Sá
2022-07-14  8:27         ` Kent Gibson
2022-07-14  8:47           ` Nuno Sá
2022-07-14 12:00             ` Kent Gibson
2022-07-14 13:02               ` Nuno Sá
2022-07-14 15:08                 ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-07-14 15:47                   ` Nuno Sá
2022-07-18 10:44     ` Linus Walleij [this message]
2022-07-13 13:14 ` [PATCH 2/4] gpiolib: of: support " Nuno Sá
2022-07-18 10:30   ` Linus Walleij
2022-07-13 13:14 ` [PATCH 3/4] gpiolib: acpi: " Nuno Sá
2022-07-18 10:32   ` Linus Walleij
2022-07-18 10:49     ` Nuno Sá
2022-07-18 13:49       ` Linus Walleij
2022-07-18 18:25   ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-07-13 13:14 ` [PATCH 4/4] dt-bindings: gpio: add pull-disable flag Nuno Sá
2022-07-18 10:33   ` Linus Walleij
2022-07-18 20:52   ` Rob Herring
2022-07-13 17:39 ` [PATCH 0/4] add support for bias pull-disable Andy Shevchenko
2022-07-14  7:09   ` Nuno Sá
2022-07-14  9:12     ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-07-14  9:49       ` Nuno Sá
2022-07-14 14:58 ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-07-14 15:43   ` Nuno Sá
2022-07-14 18:57     ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-07-15 10:20       ` Nuno Sá
2022-07-15 12:05         ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-07-15 12:20           ` Nuno Sá
2022-07-15 19:31             ` Bartosz Golaszewski
2022-07-18  7:51               ` Nuno Sá
2022-07-18 10:29                 ` Linus Walleij
2022-07-18 10:46                   ` Nuno Sá
2022-07-18 10:25               ` Linus Walleij
2022-07-19  8:25 ` Bartosz Golaszewski
2022-07-19  8:52   ` Nuno Sá
2022-07-19  9:14     ` Bartosz Golaszewski
2022-07-19 10:21       ` Nuno Sá

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