From: Phil Elwell <phil@raspberrypi.com>
To: Herve Codina <herve.codina@bootlin.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 00/10] Add support for RaspberryPi RP1 PCI device using a DT overlay
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2025 16:27:23 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAMEGJJ1++aeE7WWLVVesbujME+r2WicEkK+CQgigRRp2grYf=A@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250213171435.1c2ce376@bootlin.com>
Hi Hervé,
On Thu, 13 Feb 2025 at 16:14, Herve Codina <herve.codina@bootlin.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Phil,
>
> On Thu, 13 Feb 2025 15:18:45 +0000
> Phil Elwell <phil@raspberrypi.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Andrea,
> >
> > The problem with this approach (loading an overlay from the RP1 PCIe
> > driver), and it's one that I have raised with you offline, is that
> > (unless anyone can prove otherwise) it becomes impossible to create a
> > Pi 5 DTS file which makes use of the RP1's resources. How do you
> > declare something as simple as a button wired to an RP1 GPIO, or fan
> > connected to a PWM output?
>
> The driver could be improved in a second step.
> For instance, it could load the dtbo from user-space using request_firmare()
> instead of loading the embedded dtbo.
>
> >
> > If this is the preferred route to upstream adoption, I would prefer it
> > if rp1.dtso could be split in two - an rp1.dtsi similar to what we
> > have downstream, and an rp1.dtso that #includes it. In this way we can
> > keep the patching and duplication to a minimum.
>
> Indeed, having a rp1.dtsi avoid duplication but how the rp1.dtso in
> the the kernel sources could include user customization (button, fan, ...)
> without being modified ?
> At least we have to '#include <my_rp1_customizations.dtsi>'.
>
> Requesting the dtbo from user-space allows to let the user to create
> its own dtso without the need to modify the one in kernel sources.
>
> Does it make sense ?
I think I understand what you are saying, but at this point the RP1
overlay would no longer be an RP1 overlay - it would be an
RP1-and-everything-connected-to-it overlay, which is inherently
board-specific. Which user-space process do you think would be
responsible for loading this alternative overlay, choosing carefully
based on the platform it is running on? Doesn't that place quite a
burden on all the OS maintainers who up to now have just needed a
kernel and a bunch of dtb files?
If it is considered essential that the upstream Pi 5 dts file does not
include RP1 and its children, then Raspberry Pi are going to have to
walk a different path until we've seen how that can work. By splitting
rp1.dtso as I suggested, and perhaps providing an alternative helper
function that only applies the built-in overlay if the device node
doesn't already exist, we get to stay as close to upstream as
possible.
Phil
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-02-13 16:27 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-02-13 15:18 [PATCH v6 00/10] Add support for RaspberryPi RP1 PCI device using a DT overlay Phil Elwell
2025-02-13 16:14 ` Herve Codina
2025-02-13 16:26 ` Andrew Lunn
2025-02-13 16:30 ` Phil Elwell
2025-02-13 17:07 ` Herve Codina
2025-02-13 17:29 ` Phil Elwell
2025-02-13 17:50 ` Andrew Lunn
2025-02-13 18:00 ` Phil Elwell
2025-02-13 17:45 ` Andrew Lunn
2025-02-13 17:57 ` Phil Elwell
2025-02-13 18:53 ` Herve Codina
2025-02-13 20:15 ` Phil Elwell
2025-02-13 21:06 ` Herve Codina
2025-02-13 21:12 ` Phil Elwell
2025-02-17 15:53 ` Herve Codina
2025-02-17 17:03 ` Phil Elwell
2025-02-17 17:55 ` Herve Codina
2025-02-18 11:41 ` Phil Elwell
2025-02-13 16:27 ` Phil Elwell [this message]
2025-03-10 13:59 ` Andrea della Porta
2025-03-10 14:21 ` Phil Elwell
2025-03-10 16:26 ` Andrea della Porta
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2025-01-13 14:57 Andrea della Porta
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