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From: "Erik Schilling" <erik.schilling@linaro.org>
To: "Manos Pitsidianakis" <manos.pitsidianakis@linaro.org>,
	"Bartosz Golaszewski" <brgl@bgdev.pl>
Cc: "Linux-GPIO" <linux-gpio@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Viresh Kumar" <viresh.kumar@linaro.org>,
	"Kent Gibson" <warthog618@gmail.com>,
	"Phil Howard" <phil@gadgetoid.com>
Subject: Re: [libgpiod][PATCH 0/2] bindings: rust: feature gate unreleased features
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2023 17:21:52 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CW40ER5HT93Q.83CW582AJP9C@ablu-work> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <29nnq.9lre8l3k31x@linaro.org>

On Mon Oct 9, 2023 at 4:39 PM CEST, Manos Pitsidianakis wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Oct 2023 17:32, Bartosz Golaszewski <brgl@bgdev.pl> wrote:
> >I'm Cc'ing Phil Howard who's the developer behind the Python bindings 
> >work.

Hi!

> >
> >In Phil's WiP branch[1] that should soon be posted to this list the
> >autotools flow is entirely omitted and building of the libgpiod C
> >sources happens in setup.py directly. Can cargo compile C sources like
> >that?
>
> The rust compiler team maintains a library for that:
>
> https://crates.io/crates/cc
>
> You can find examples of it in use in many popular rust crates, like 
> when building the openssl crate https://docs.rs/openssl/latest/openssl/ 
> with the `vendored` feature, it uses the following build-time dependency 
> to build the static librarie:
>
> https://github.com/alexcrichton/openssl-src-rs/tree/main
>
> There is no general need to put the vendoring code in a build-time 
> dependency by the way, it can be done in in the bindings crate's 
> build.rs as well.

Right. One can use cc, there also seems to be a somewhat popular crate
that allows calling autotools: https://crates.io/crates/autotools.

That said. I am not sure if I like listing all the sources and defining
the build process manually again. It feels like we duplicate what the
existing build system already does for us and no longer have a single
source of truth...

Taking a look at the openssl build code [1] I also see all the target
and environment specific hacks that I feared about... I guess it won't
be as bad for libgpiod, but I guess it might be a painful way to figure
out whether that is true.

I have seen similar things happening when cmake projects attempted to
vendor in external dependencies and are not a huge fan of marrying to
different worlds together like this.

That said. I am completely supportive to the idea of exploring static
linking for the Rust bindings. I am just sceptical that doing that by
default will make things more simple for consumers on the long run.

[1] https://github.com/alexcrichton/openssl-src-rs/blob/main/src/lib.rs

>
> >
> >I'm not sure how that would work honestly. The stable branches in
> >libgpiod are per libgpiod minor release. This doesn't map onto rust
> >releases anymore with decoupled versioning. Maybe rust should get its
> >own tags in the repo (on the master branch for major and minor
> >releases) and its own stable branches?
>
> In cases Rust crates want to support multiple releases, the usual route 
> is to expose different bindings per release exposed via feature flags.
>
> I can't say if that makes sense for libgpiod though, because I'm not 
> familiar that much.

Thats true for attempting to support different versions of the C lib
(and it is what I suggest in this series). However, the recent release
became necessary to a bug in the Rust bindings, not in the C lib. So a
stable branch could still make sense. But hopefully, we would only need
it increasingly rarely in the future.

Overall I still think what I suggest in this patch + maybe exploring
optional static linking is the simplest path. I mostly suggested this as
an alternative since I felt resistance to my suggestion :)

- Erik


  reply	other threads:[~2023-10-09 15:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-10-06  7:24 [libgpiod][PATCH 0/2] bindings: rust: feature gate unreleased features Erik Schilling
2023-10-06  7:24 ` [libgpiod][PATCH 1/2] " Erik Schilling
2023-10-06  9:25   ` Viresh Kumar
2023-10-06  7:24 ` [libgpiod][PATCH 2/2] DONOTMERGE: bindings: rust: simulate v2.1 release Erik Schilling
2023-10-09  8:58 ` [libgpiod][PATCH 0/2] bindings: rust: feature gate unreleased features Bartosz Golaszewski
2023-10-09 11:38   ` Erik Schilling
2023-10-09 12:43     ` Bartosz Golaszewski
2023-10-09 14:16       ` Erik Schilling
2023-10-09 14:32         ` Bartosz Golaszewski
2023-10-09 14:39           ` Manos Pitsidianakis
2023-10-09 15:21             ` Erik Schilling [this message]
2023-10-10  6:55               ` Bartosz Golaszewski

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