From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Tomi Manninen Subject: Re: ax25-apps/-tools: clarification about the project status Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 01:43:22 +0200 Message-ID: <497CF91A.5000001@sral.fi> References: <20090125144334.GA9629@x-berg.in-berlin.de> <497CD9B9.4090500@sral.fi> <200901251411.57323.n7ipb@wetnet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: In-Reply-To: <200901251411.57323.n7ipb@wetnet.net> Sender: linux-hams-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" To: Ken Koster Cc: ax25@x-berg.in-berlin.de, linux-hams@vger.kernel.org Hi again, I have to say it's only now that I really read what's written on the linux-ax25 wiki page and especially on the "History" page. And now I'm somewhat less enthusiastic about what is going on with the stuff.. From the wiki page, I get the feeling that the maintainers do not want things to be discussed openly in a centralized place. They want people to contact them, not discuss openly with other people. And then they wonder: 'We really wonder why over the years nobody came to the idea to say "Hey dear maintainers, i'm in an important discussion on the mailinglist xyz, you're requested to join in".' Well, you might just want to ponder on that for a while longer. Perhaps the problem is not in the people that simply do not know how to play to your tune. Finally: 'Collaboration work means working together, not against each other.' Yes, and that should begin from the maintainers doing real maintainership, gathering people to some common medium and encouraging people to participate and share. Not requiring "the mountain come to mohammed", especially when the mountain doesn't seem to know where mohammed is... Ken Koster wrote: >> *) Like I said, I don't feel very strongly about linux ax.25 >> anymore, but I do feel _very_ strongly about using wikis and >> web forums for discussion on open source software. It sucks! >> I just hope that isn't happening here... > > And to that I'll add 'IRC' channels. Well, apparently wconvers is on the supported list according to the wiki. I don't want to even get started on that one. I'm really happy I don't care about Linux AX.25 anymore... -- Tomi Manninen / OH2BNS / KP20JE01FK