* Re: [Pcihpd-discuss] Hotplug SIG
@ 2004-08-12 19:13 Matthew Wilcox
2004-08-12 19:32 ` Matthew Wilcox
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From: Matthew Wilcox @ 2004-08-12 19:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: linux-hotplug
On Thu, Aug 12, 2004 at 11:35:22AM -0400, Silbermann, Martine wrote:
> The first goal of the SIG is to determine how we can help the community.
> I know that a lot of work has already been done in each of the hotplug
> areas and we are reaching out to all the "hotplug groups" right now to
> try to figure out where we could be most helpful. As the SIG gets more
> educated about the needs of the community we will publish a charter
> detailing our goals. As the SIG leader I will make it a point to keep
> you inform through the existing mailing lists of our progress and come
> to you with questions/comments/discussions.
My question is how does grouping all of the hotplug issues into one
place help? I see hotplug CPU, hotplug PCI and hotplug memory as
all being very different things, each with a unique set of problems.
Also, hotplug PCI and hotplug CPU are here and working now, with only
refinements, bugfixing and so on to do. As far as I'm aware, hotplug
memory still needs a lot of work.
So I really don't see the need for a Hotplug SIG -- there's lots of work
going on independently that can go on independently and we really don't
need to talk to each other very much.
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* Re: [Pcihpd-discuss] Hotplug SIG
2004-08-12 19:13 [Pcihpd-discuss] Hotplug SIG Matthew Wilcox
@ 2004-08-12 19:32 ` Matthew Wilcox
2004-08-12 19:58 ` Greg KH
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From: Matthew Wilcox @ 2004-08-12 19:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: linux-hotplug
On Thu, Aug 12, 2004 at 08:13:45PM +0100, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> So I really don't see the need for a Hotplug SIG -- there's lots of work
> going on independently that can go on independently and we really don't
> need to talk to each other very much.
As evidenced by the pinheaded morons on lhcs-devel who refuse mail from
anyone not in their little clique. Antisocial bastards.
--
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the nation that is attacked, and every man will be glad of those
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* Re: [Pcihpd-discuss] Hotplug SIG
2004-08-12 19:13 [Pcihpd-discuss] Hotplug SIG Matthew Wilcox
2004-08-12 19:32 ` Matthew Wilcox
@ 2004-08-12 19:58 ` Greg KH
2004-08-12 20:15 ` Silbermann, Martine
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From: Greg KH @ 2004-08-12 19:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: linux-hotplug
On Thu, Aug 12, 2004 at 08:13:45PM +0100, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
>
> So I really don't see the need for a Hotplug SIG -- there's lots of work
> going on independently that can go on independently and we really don't
> need to talk to each other very much.
I brought this, and almost all the other questions up about this group a
few days ago on the hotplug-sig list. Everyone can see the thread at:
http://lists.osdl.org/pipermail/hotplug_sig/2004-August/000002.html
so they don't dig up the same issues that have no resolutions.
And yes, I completly agree that these need to be separate "SIGs". The
only thing these three groups have in common is one word.
thanks,
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* RE: [Pcihpd-discuss] Hotplug SIG
2004-08-12 19:13 [Pcihpd-discuss] Hotplug SIG Matthew Wilcox
2004-08-12 19:32 ` Matthew Wilcox
2004-08-12 19:58 ` Greg KH
@ 2004-08-12 20:15 ` Silbermann, Martine
2004-08-23 22:57 ` Linas Vepstas
2004-08-23 23:13 ` Greg KH
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From: Silbermann, Martine @ 2004-08-12 20:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: linux-hotplug
....guess that one won't make it through the moderator's approval :-)
-----Original Message-----
From: willy@www.linux.org.uk [mailto:willy@www.linux.org.uk] On Behalf
Of Matthew Wilcox
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 3:32 PM
To: Matthew Wilcox
Cc: Silbermann, Martine; lhcs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net;
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Subject: Re: [Pcihpd-discuss] Hotplug SIG
On Thu, Aug 12, 2004 at 08:13:45PM +0100, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> So I really don't see the need for a Hotplug SIG -- there's lots of
> work going on independently that can go on independently and we really
> don't need to talk to each other very much.
As evidenced by the pinheaded morons on lhcs-devel who refuse mail from
anyone not in their little clique. Antisocial bastards.
--
"Next the statesmen will invent cheap lies, putting the blame upon
the nation that is attacked, and every man will be glad of those
conscience-soothing falsities, and will diligently study them, and
refuse to examine any refutations of them; and thus he will by and by
convince
himself that the war is just, and will thank God for the better sleep
he enjoys after this process of grotesque self-deception." -- Mark Twain
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* Re: [Pcihpd-discuss] Hotplug SIG
2004-08-12 19:13 [Pcihpd-discuss] Hotplug SIG Matthew Wilcox
` (2 preceding siblings ...)
2004-08-12 20:15 ` Silbermann, Martine
@ 2004-08-23 22:57 ` Linas Vepstas
2004-08-23 23:13 ` Greg KH
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From: Linas Vepstas @ 2004-08-23 22:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: linux-hotplug
On Thu, Aug 12, 2004 at 12:58:28PM -0700, Greg KH was heard to remark:
>
> And yes, I completly agree that these need to be separate "SIGs". The
> only thing these three groups have in common is one word.
Greg, this is not entirely true. It would be very cool if there
was a gnome/KDE graphical client that drew some kind of topology/tree
diagram of all the various devices in ones system (be they memory, cpu,
pci, scsi, etc.) and then, by mouse-clicking on the matching icon,
you got info about that devices geographical location, an option
menu to add/remove, status bits, etc.
This kind of management client crosses the boundaries of the various
hotplug sigs.
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* Re: [Pcihpd-discuss] Hotplug SIG
2004-08-12 19:13 [Pcihpd-discuss] Hotplug SIG Matthew Wilcox
` (3 preceding siblings ...)
2004-08-23 22:57 ` Linas Vepstas
@ 2004-08-23 23:13 ` Greg KH
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From: Greg KH @ 2004-08-23 23:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: linux-hotplug
On Mon, Aug 23, 2004 at 05:57:34PM -0500, Linas Vepstas wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 12, 2004 at 12:58:28PM -0700, Greg KH was heard to remark:
> >
> > And yes, I completly agree that these need to be separate "SIGs". The
> > only thing these three groups have in common is one word.
>
> Greg, this is not entirely true.
I think it is, if you don't think so, please show me where I am wrong.
> It would be very cool if there
> was a gnome/KDE graphical client that drew some kind of topology/tree
> diagram of all the various devices in ones system (be they memory, cpu,
> pci, scsi, etc.) and then, by mouse-clicking on the matching icon,
> you got info about that devices geographical location, an option
> menu to add/remove, status bits, etc.
You haven't run HAL on Gnome, have you...
> This kind of management client crosses the boundaries of the various
> hotplug sigs.
It also is not the intention of this SIG, as they do not seem to know
what their intention is, nor is it a kernel issue at all to create such
a program.
So, despite your description of a tool that might be useful for you, I
still stand by my "PCI hotplug has nothing to do with CPU hotplug or
memory hotplug or USB hotplug or PCMCIA hotplug becides the single
word" statment.
Please stop cross-posting to all of these mailing lists at once, it's
not nice, and I will not be doing it again.
greg k-h
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