From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Greg KH Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:56:26 +0000 Subject: Re: udev-067 and 2.6.12? Message-Id: <20050818165626.GA25181@kroah.com> List-Id: References: <200508162349.01610.s0348365@sms.ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <200508162349.01610.s0348365@sms.ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: linux-hotplug@vger.kernel.org On Thu, Aug 18, 2005 at 05:32:18PM +0100, Alistair John Strachan wrote: > On Thursday 18 August 2005 16:38, Greg KH wrote: > [snip truths :-)] > > > > On Thu, Aug 18, 2005 at 08:27:52AM -0700, David Brown wrote: > > > Well I'm a developer for SourceMage and one of the things that we > > > pride ourselves on is options. So there's a couple of things we had > > > to change with udev to make it fit into our system of doing things. > > > 1) no package to start or stop services in the process of installing > > > the package... hence the removal of the killall udevd && udevd > > > --daemon call > > > > So you install a new version of udev and don't kill the old udevd > > program? That's not good at all. Remember, if you set DEST_DIR, that > > doesn't get called. That is there to allow you to build and not mess > > with any running services (as is needed on rpm and deb build machines.) > > > > > 2) the `make -C extras/run_directory USE_LOG=true` didn't work if the > > > root directory of udev was built with logging support. > > > > That's not how you build things in the extras directory (as per the > > documentation.) > > autotools. No, autotools are not an answer to this, they are only the start of a bigger problem :) > a) Assume that not all users are distributors, and have not done things like > install udev 067 multiple times; udev users are not encouraged to build and install udev unless they _really_ know what they are doing (how many users install their own /sbin/init?) It requires a lot of distro specific startup logic to get correct due to what it is doing. > d) Autotools are standard, better than make KITCHEN_SINK=magical/keyword. > > If this is deemed acceptable I can help autotool udev. Many people have tried in the past. It's not needed at all, and only will make things worse. So please don't even try. thanks, greg k-h ------------------------------------------------------- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference & EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams * Testing & QA Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf _______________________________________________ Linux-hotplug-devel mailing list http://linux-hotplug.sourceforge.net Linux-hotplug-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/linux-hotplug-devel