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From: dann frazier <dannf@dannf.org>
To: Narendra_K@Dell.com
Cc: greg@kroah.com, Matt_Domsch@Dell.com, kay.sievers@vrfy.org,
	linux-hotplug@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	Jordan_Hargrave@Dell.com, Charles_Rose@Dell.com,
	bhutchings@solarflare.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:05:48 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091030170548.GB4547@lackof.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <EDA0A4495861324DA2618B4C45DCB3EE589684@blrx3m08.blr.amer.dell.com>

On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 10:23:57PM +0530, Narendra_K@Dell.com wrote:
> 
> >> >There are two issues, which really seem distinct to me.
> >> >
> >> >Users expect eth0 to map to first-onboard-nic. That's an installer 
> >> >issue (since the BIOS can already export this info) and I 
> >agree that 
> >> >if we want to "fix" that, we should fix it there.
> >> >
> >> 
> >> I agree that installers have to be fixed in the sense that 
> >they can be 
> >> told to find the right interface. But, they expect determinism and 
> >> depend on "eth0 to map to first-onboard-nic". Installer is 
> >one of the 
> >> applications that is affected by this and needs user 
> >intervention, if 
> >> it is not told about the right interface. I discussed 
> >installer as it 
> >> is so much part of a user experience.
> >
> >Right, but couldn't the installer do the work of scanning the 
> >SMBIOS to figure out which nics are onboard, and reorder the 
> >'eth*' names such that these are first? This state could then 
> >be written out as udev rules so that they persist across reboots.
> >
> 
> I suppose, with udev loading modules, the rules generated at runtime
> could run into the problem of duplicate names, if names are reordered in
> the kernel namespace. (I.e the eth* namespace). Hence idea of an
> alternate namespace.

I don't see a risk of duplicate names - after all drivers are loaded,
the installer can take the names enumerated by the kernel, figure out
what it thinks a preferrable order is (i.e. by querying SMBIOS), then
change the kernel names/mac mapping appropriately. Where can a
duplicate name become an issue using this method?

-- 
dann frazier


  reply	other threads:[~2009-10-30 17:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 105+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <EDA0A4495861324DA2618B4C45DCB3EE5894ED@blrx3m08.blr.amer.dell.com>
2009-10-09 14:00 ` PATCH: Network Device Naming mechanism and policy Narendra K
2009-10-09 14:51   ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-09 16:23     ` Bryan Kadzban
2009-10-09 16:56       ` Marco d'Itri
2009-10-12 10:41     ` Scott James Remnant
2009-10-12 11:31       ` Ben Hutchings
2009-10-12 17:37       ` Bill Nottingham
2009-10-13 18:06         ` Dan Williams
2009-10-13 18:53           ` Ben Hutchings
2009-10-13 19:53             ` John W. Linville
2009-10-09 16:36   ` Greg KH
2009-10-09 17:17     ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-09 17:22       ` Greg KH
2009-10-09 21:09   ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-10  2:44     ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-10-10  4:40       ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-10  5:23         ` Greg KH
2009-10-10  8:29           ` Sujit K M
2009-10-10 16:27             ` Greg KH
2009-10-10 19:00               ` Ben Hutchings
2009-10-10 21:10                 ` Greg KH
2009-10-10 12:47           ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-10 16:25             ` Greg KH
2009-10-10 17:34               ` Bryan Kadzban
2009-10-10 21:13                 ` Greg KH
2009-10-12  6:21                   ` Bryan Kadzban
2009-10-12 16:19                     ` Bryan Kadzban
2009-10-11 16:40               ` David Zeuthen
2009-10-11 18:47                 ` Greg KH
2009-10-10 18:11           ` Bill Fink
2009-10-10 18:35             ` Kay Sievers
2009-10-11 21:10           ` Rob Townley
2009-10-11 23:04             ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-12  3:00             ` Greg KH
2009-10-12 18:35               ` Rob Townley
2009-10-12 18:44                 ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-12 17:45           ` Bill Nottingham
2009-10-12 17:55             ` Greg KH
2009-10-12 18:07               ` Bill Nottingham
2009-10-12 18:15                 ` Greg KH
2009-10-10 18:32         ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-10-10 21:06           ` Greg KH
2009-10-13 18:02             ` Dan Williams
2009-10-13 18:56               ` Narendra_K
2009-10-12  7:30           ` Kurt Van Dijck
2009-10-11  0:37         ` Marco d'Itri
2009-10-13 15:08   ` dann frazier
2009-10-13 17:25     ` Narendra_K
2009-10-13 17:36       ` dann frazier
2009-10-16  0:32         ` dann frazier
2009-10-16 14:14           ` Narendra_K
2009-10-16 15:20             ` dann frazier
2009-10-16 15:33               ` Ben Hutchings
2009-10-16 15:41                 ` dann frazier
2009-10-16 21:40                 ` dann frazier
2009-10-19 11:42                   ` Narendra_K
2009-10-19 16:14                     ` Bryan Kadzban
2009-11-04 14:35                       ` Narendra_K
2009-11-06  8:49                         ` Marco d'Itri
2009-11-06 22:06                           ` Matt Domsch
2009-11-06 22:35                             ` Marco d'Itri
2009-11-06 23:17                               ` dann frazier
2009-11-09 14:53                               ` Narendra_K
2009-11-10 17:23                                 ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-11-11  6:43                                   ` Narendra_K
2009-11-06 22:05                         ` Domsch, Matt
2009-10-22  6:36                   ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net dann frazier
2009-10-27 20:55                     ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net interfaces Matt Domsch
2009-10-28  8:23                       ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net Kay Sievers
2009-10-28 13:03                         ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net interfaces Matt Domsch
2009-10-28 15:09                           ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net dann frazier
2009-10-28 16:09                             ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net interfaces Jordan_Hargrave
2009-10-28 16:09                             ` Jordan_Hargrave
2009-10-28 16:11                               ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net Greg KH
2009-10-28 13:06                         ` Ben Hutchings
2009-10-28 19:27                         ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net interfaces Narendra_K
2009-10-29 13:11                         ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-29 14:25                           ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net Greg KH
2009-10-29 16:49                             ` Ben Hutchings
2009-10-29 16:55                               ` Greg KH
2009-10-29 17:12                                 ` Ben Hutchings
2009-10-29 17:20                                   ` Greg KH
2009-10-29 16:56                             ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net interfaces Narendra_K
2009-10-29 16:52                               ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net Greg KH
2009-10-29 17:34                                 ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent netinterfaces Narendra_K
2009-10-29 17:50                                   ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent dann frazier
2009-10-29 17:46                             ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net dann frazier
2009-10-30  3:30                               ` Marco d'Itri
2009-10-30  5:38                                 ` dann frazier
2009-10-30  6:22                                   ` Marco d'Itri
2009-10-30 15:00                                     ` dann frazier
2009-10-30 15:25                               ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net interfaces Narendra_K
2009-10-30 16:08                                 ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net dann frazier
2009-10-30 16:54                                   ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent netinterfaces Narendra_K
2009-10-30 17:05                                     ` dann frazier [this message]
2009-10-30 17:10                                   ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net interfaces Matt Domsch
2009-10-30 17:13                                     ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net Greg KH
2009-10-30  7:45                         ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net interfaces Hannes Reinecke
2009-10-30 16:22                           ` Bryan Kadzban
2009-10-30 16:34                             ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net Stephen Hemminger
2009-10-13 19:51       ` PATCH: Network Device Naming mechanism and policy Greg KH
2009-10-13 20:00         ` Jordan_Hargrave
2009-10-13 20:19           ` Greg KH
2009-10-13 22:05             ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-13 22:08             ` dann frazier

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