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From: dann frazier <dannf@hp.com>
To: Matt Domsch <Matt_Domsch@Dell.com>,
	Narendra_K@Dell.com, bryan@kadzban.is-a-geek.net,
	bhutchings@solarflare.com, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-hotplug@vger.kernel.org, Jordan_Hargrave
Subject: Re: PATCH: Network Device Naming mechanism and policy
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 23:17:16 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091106231716.GJ29251@ldl.fc.hp.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091106223524.GA27121@bongo.bofh.it>

On Fri, Nov 06, 2009 at 11:35:24PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On Nov 06, Matt Domsch <Matt_Domsch@Dell.com> wrote:
> 
> > > As a distribution developer I highly value solutions like this which do
> > > not require patching every application which deals with interface names
> > > and then teaching users about aliases which only work in some places and
> > > are unknown to the kernel.
> > Fair enough - but would you object if we changed the naming scheme
> > from eth%d to something else?
> I suppose that this would depend on what else. :-)
> Since you want radical changes I recommend that you design the new
> persistent naming infrastructure in a way that will allow root to choose
> to use the classic naming scheme, or many users will scream a lot and at
> least some distributions will do it anyway.
> I also expect that providing choice at the beginning of development may
> lead to more acceptance later if and when the new scheme will have
> proved itself to be superior (at least in some situations).
> You have tought about this for a long time and if so far you have not
> found a solution which is widely considered superior then I doubt that
> one will appear soon. Providing your favourite naming scheme as an
> optional add on will immediately benefit those who like it and greatly
> reduce opposition from those who do not.

This seems to me like a good installer feature - give the user an
option to enter a name for an interface, with the default option
to use the eth* names. To illustrate by example, I imagine an
installer flow that looks like this:

 [Do Hardware Discovery]
 [Automatically reorder kernel names for reasonable defaults;
  eth0-eth{n-1} map to n onboard nics]

  Sample user interface for network configuration:

 ------------Choose an interface to configure --------------
 | Multiple unconfigured interfaces detected.              |
 | Select an interface to configure by:                    |
 |   1. Kernel name (eth0, eth1, etc)                      |
 |   2. Mac Address                                        |
 |   3. Chassis name                                       |
 |   4. PCI Slot                                           |
 -----------------------------------------------------------

 ----Choose an interface to configure (by chassis name)-----
 |   1. LOM0                                               |
 |   2. LOM1                                               |
 |   3. Undefined                                          |
 |   4. Undefined                                          |
 -----------------------------------------------------------

 ----------------Name interface - (chassis name LOM0)-------
 |   Name to use for this interface [eth0]: __mynet0_      |
 -----------------------------------------------------------

 -----------------------------------------------------------
 | Configure interface - mynet0                            |
 |   1. DHCP                                               |
 |   2. Static                                             |
 |   ...                                                   |
 -----------------------------------------------------------
 
[Generate udev rules that bind the user-selected name to
 the user-selected attribute]

  reply	other threads:[~2009-11-06 23:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 121+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <EDA0A4495861324DA2618B4C45DCB3EE5894ED@blrx3m08.blr.amer.dell.com>
2009-10-09 14:00 ` PATCH: Network Device Naming mechanism and policy Narendra K
2009-10-09 14:51   ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-09 16:23     ` Bryan Kadzban
2009-10-09 16:56       ` Marco d'Itri
2009-10-12 10:41     ` Scott James Remnant
2009-10-12 11:31       ` Ben Hutchings
2009-10-12 17:37       ` Bill Nottingham
2009-10-13 18:06         ` Dan Williams
2009-10-13 18:53           ` Ben Hutchings
2009-10-13 19:53             ` John W. Linville
2009-10-09 16:36   ` Greg KH
2009-10-09 17:17     ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-09 17:22       ` Greg KH
2009-10-09 21:09   ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-10  2:44     ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-10-10  4:40       ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-10  5:23         ` Greg KH
2009-10-10  8:29           ` Sujit K M
2009-10-10 16:27             ` Greg KH
2009-10-10 19:00               ` Ben Hutchings
2009-10-10 21:10                 ` Greg KH
2009-10-10 12:47           ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-10 16:25             ` Greg KH
2009-10-10 17:34               ` Bryan Kadzban
2009-10-10 21:13                 ` Greg KH
2009-10-12  6:21                   ` Bryan Kadzban
2009-10-12 16:19                     ` Bryan Kadzban
2009-10-11 16:40               ` David Zeuthen
2009-10-11 18:47                 ` Greg KH
2009-10-10 18:11           ` Bill Fink
2009-10-10 18:35             ` Kay Sievers
2009-10-11 21:10           ` Rob Townley
2009-10-11 23:04             ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-12  3:00             ` Greg KH
2009-10-12 18:35               ` Rob Townley
2009-10-12 18:44                 ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-12 17:45           ` Bill Nottingham
2009-10-12 17:55             ` Greg KH
2009-10-12 18:07               ` Bill Nottingham
2009-10-12 18:15                 ` Greg KH
2009-10-10 18:32         ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-10-10 21:06           ` Greg KH
2009-10-13 18:02             ` Dan Williams
2009-10-13 18:56               ` Narendra_K
2009-10-12  7:30           ` Kurt Van Dijck
2009-10-11  0:37         ` Marco d'Itri
2009-10-13 15:08   ` dann frazier
2009-10-13 17:25     ` Narendra_K
2009-10-13 17:36       ` dann frazier
2009-10-16  0:32         ` dann frazier
2009-10-16 14:14           ` Narendra_K
2009-10-16 15:20             ` dann frazier
2009-10-16 15:33               ` Ben Hutchings
2009-10-16 15:41                 ` dann frazier
2009-10-16 21:40                 ` dann frazier
2009-10-19 11:42                   ` Narendra_K
2009-10-19 16:14                     ` Bryan Kadzban
2009-11-04 14:35                       ` Narendra_K
2009-11-06  8:49                         ` Marco d'Itri
2009-11-06 22:06                           ` Matt Domsch
2009-11-06 22:35                             ` Marco d'Itri
2009-11-06 23:17                               ` dann frazier [this message]
2009-11-09 14:53                               ` Narendra_K
2009-11-10 17:23                                 ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-11-11  6:43                                   ` Narendra_K
2009-11-06 22:05                         ` Domsch, Matt
2009-10-22  6:36                   ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net dann frazier
2009-10-27 20:55                     ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net interfaces Matt Domsch
2009-10-28  8:23                       ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net Kay Sievers
2009-10-28 13:03                         ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net interfaces Matt Domsch
2009-10-28 15:09                           ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net dann frazier
2009-10-28 16:09                             ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net interfaces Jordan_Hargrave
2009-10-28 16:09                             ` Jordan_Hargrave
2009-10-28 16:11                               ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net Greg KH
2009-10-28 13:06                         ` Ben Hutchings
2009-10-28 19:27                         ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net interfaces Narendra_K
2009-10-29 13:11                         ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-29 14:25                           ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net Greg KH
2009-10-29 16:49                             ` Ben Hutchings
2009-10-29 16:55                               ` Greg KH
2009-10-29 17:12                                 ` Ben Hutchings
2009-10-29 17:20                                   ` Greg KH
2009-10-29 16:56                             ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net interfaces Narendra_K
2009-10-29 16:52                               ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net Greg KH
2009-10-29 17:34                                 ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent netinterfaces Narendra_K
2009-10-29 17:50                                   ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent dann frazier
2009-10-29 17:46                             ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net dann frazier
2009-10-30  3:30                               ` Marco d'Itri
2009-10-30  5:38                                 ` dann frazier
2009-10-30  6:22                                   ` Marco d'Itri
2009-10-30 15:00                                     ` dann frazier
2009-10-30 15:25                               ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net interfaces Narendra_K
2009-10-30 16:08                                 ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net dann frazier
2009-10-30 16:54                                   ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent netinterfaces Narendra_K
2009-10-30 17:05                                     ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent dann frazier
2009-10-30 17:10                                   ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net interfaces Matt Domsch
2009-10-30 17:13                                     ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net Greg KH
2009-10-30  7:45                         ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net interfaces Hannes Reinecke
2009-10-30 16:22                           ` Bryan Kadzban
2009-10-30 16:34                             ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net Stephen Hemminger
2009-10-13 19:51       ` PATCH: Network Device Naming mechanism and policy Greg KH
2009-10-13 20:00         ` Jordan_Hargrave
2009-10-13 20:19           ` Greg KH
2009-10-13 22:05             ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-13 22:08             ` dann frazier
     [not found] <EDA0A4495861324DA2618B4C45DCB3EE58964E@blrx3m08.blr.amer.dell.com>
2009-10-28 13:06 ` Narendra K
     [not found] <EDA0A4495861324DA2618B4C45DCB3EE589541@blrx3m08.blr.amer.dell.com>
2009-10-12 18:47 ` Narendra K
2009-10-12 19:09   ` Greg KH
2009-10-12 19:41     ` Karl O. Pinc
2009-10-13 18:17       ` Dan Williams
2009-10-13 18:56         ` Ben Hutchings
2009-10-12 19:48     ` Matt Domsch
     [not found] <EDA0A4495861324DA2618B4C45DCB3EE58953F@blrx3m08.blr.amer.dell.com>
2009-10-12 18:07 ` Narendra K
     [not found] <EDA0A4495861324DA2618B4C45DCB3EE5894F6@blrx3m08.blr.amer.dell.com>
2009-10-09 16:04 ` Narendra K
2009-10-09 16:12   ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-10-09 16:25     ` Matt Domsch
     [not found] <5DDAB7BA7BDB58439DD0EED0B8E9A3AE011CD92D@ausx3mpc102.aus.amer.dell.com>
2009-08-19 18:56 ` Jordan_Hargrave
2009-08-19 19:26   ` Ben Hutchings
2009-08-19 19:40     ` Jordan_Hargrave
2009-08-20  4:41   ` Bryan Kadzban
2009-10-12 17:54   ` Marco d'Itri

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