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From: Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko@kernel.org>
To: Topi Miettinen <toiwoton@gmail.com>
Cc: "Andy Lutomirski" <luto@amacapital.net>,
	"Andy Lutomirski" <luto@kernel.org>,
	"Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek" <zbyszek@in.waw.pl>,
	linux-hotplug@vger.kernel.org,
	"systemd Mailing List" <systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	"Jarkko Sakkinen" <jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com>,
	"Jethro Beekman" <jethro@fortanix.com>,
	"Casey Schaufler" <casey@schaufler-ca.com>,
	linux-sgx@vger.kernel.org, "Svahn, Kai" <kai.svahn@intel.com>,
	"Schlobohm, Bruce" <bruce.schlobohm@intel.com>,
	"Stephen Smalley" <sds@tycho.nsa.gov>,
	"Haitao Huang" <haitao.huang@linux.intel.com>,
	"Ben Hutchings" <ben@decadent.org.uk>
Subject: Re: Creating executable device nodes in /dev?
Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2020 00:15:21 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201209001521.GA64007@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <bbdedcfd-cc24-1616-7f87-3c7f62571b22@gmail.com>

On Wed, Dec 09, 2020 at 01:15:27AM +0200, Topi Miettinen wrote:
> > > > As  a further argument, I just did this on a Fedora system:
> > > > $ find /dev -perm /ugo+x -a \! -type d -a \! -type l
> > > > No results.  So making /dev noexec doesn't seem to have any benefit.
> > > 
> > > It's no surprise that there aren't any executables in /dev since
> > > removing MAKEDEV ages ago. That's not the issue, which is that
> > > /dev is a writable directory (for UID=0 but no capabilities are
> > > needed) and thus a potential location for constructing unapproved
> > > executables if it is also mounted exec (W^X).
> > 
> > UID 0 can just change mount options, though, unless SELinux or similar is used. And SELinux can protect /dev just fine without noexec.
> 
> Well, mounting would need CAP_SYS_ADMIN in addition to UID 0. Also SELinux
> is not universal and the policies might not contain all users or services.
> 
> -Topi

What's the data that supports having noexec /dev anyway? With root
access I can then just use something else like /dev/shm mount.

Has there been out in the wild real world cases that noexec mount
of would have prevented?

For me this sounds a lot just something that "feels more secure"
without any measurable benefit. Can you prove me wrong?

/Jarkko

  reply	other threads:[~2020-12-09  0:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-11-19 16:17 Creating executable device nodes in /dev? Andy Lutomirski
2020-11-19 16:32 ` Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
2020-11-19 18:05   ` Topi Miettinen
2020-12-08 18:07     ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-12-08 20:45       ` Topi Miettinen
2020-12-08 21:30         ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-12-08 23:15           ` Topi Miettinen
2020-12-09  0:15             ` Jarkko Sakkinen [this message]
2020-12-09  0:42               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-12-09  8:58                 ` Topi Miettinen
2020-12-09  9:07                   ` Jethro Beekman
2020-12-09 15:14                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-12-09 19:22                     ` Topi Miettinen
2020-12-09 19:32                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-12-09 21:58                     ` Ben Hutchings
2020-12-11 11:36                       ` Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
2020-12-09  7:58               ` Antw: [EXT] Re: [systemd-devel] " Ulrich Windl
2020-12-11 10:40                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-12-09  8:35               ` Topi Miettinen
2020-12-11 10:46                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-12-11 11:29                   ` Greg KH
2020-12-12 11:51                     ` [systemd-devel] " Christian Brauner
2020-12-12 12:32                     ` Christian Brauner
2020-12-11 11:46                   ` Topi Miettinen
2020-12-14  7:25                     ` Antw: [EXT] Re: [systemd-devel] " Ulrich Windl
2020-12-15  4:19                       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-12-15  4:27                         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-12-16 10:03                         ` Ulrich Windl
2020-12-16 13:05                           ` Topi Miettinen
2020-12-22 22:14                             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-12-09  0:03       ` Jarkko Sakkinen

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