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From: David Brownell <david-b@pacbell.net>
To: Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>
Cc: Ed Tomlinson <edt@aei.ca>,
	Michael Weiser <michael@weiser.dinsnail.net>,
	linux-hotplug-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] udev 021 release
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 19:28:08 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <404631C8.4000804@pacbell.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040303151433.GC25687@kroah.com>

Greg KH wrote:

> Users need to learn that the kernel is changing models from one which
> automatically loaded modules when userspace tried to access the device,
> to one where the proper modules are loaded when the hardware is found.
> 
> Note that this is a much more sane model due to removable devices, and
> instances of multiple types of the same kind of devices in the same
> system.


Actually I think that sysadmin frameworks are the ones that'll have
the hardest time changing.  It's a different way to look at system
configuration, and changing basic models incrementally may not work.
User adoption normally lags sysadmin adoption for such stuff.  (Yes,
developers often wear both of those hats too.)


Luckily, all the usermode frameworks to boot and configure Linux have
had since the 2.4.0 kernel (or was that 2.4.0-test10?) to start moving
from that "historical UNIX" sysadmin model to something more modern;
Linux devices have been hotplugging for quite a while now.  All that
2.6 changed was to use it more universally; and with sysfs, that also
means stuff like "udev" is now possible.

Which means that any day now, all Linux systems (and their users,
docs, and sysadmin procedures) will be done converting!

- Dave

p.s.    You in the back there saying "Huh?  NOT!!!".  Be quiet.

p.p.s.  And that "we shall coexist" chanting -- enough already!

;-)



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  reply	other threads:[~2004-03-03 19:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-03-03  0:09 [ANNOUNCE] udev 021 release Greg KH
2004-03-03  0:25 ` Greg KH
2004-03-03  1:16 ` Marco d'Itri
2004-03-03  3:09 ` Greg KH
2004-03-03  9:56 ` Michael Weiser
2004-03-03 12:22   ` Ed Tomlinson
2004-03-03 15:14     ` Greg KH
2004-03-03 19:28       ` David Brownell [this message]
2004-03-03 22:53       ` Michael Weiser
2004-03-04  1:25         ` Greg KH
2004-03-04  3:58           ` Bill Nottingham
2004-03-04 18:26             ` Greg KH
2004-03-04  1:22       ` Marco d'Itri
2004-03-04  1:28         ` Greg KH
2004-03-04  9:27           ` Michael Weiser
2004-03-03 15:15   ` Greg KH
2004-03-03 23:56     ` Michael Weiser
2004-03-04  1:19       ` Greg KH
2004-03-03 10:19 ` Marco d'Itri
2004-03-03 10:52 ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2004-03-03 11:02 ` Marco d'Itri
2004-03-03 15:49 ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2004-03-04  1:18 ` Marco d'Itri
     [not found] ` <4046CE91.50701@kubla.de>
2004-03-04 18:44   ` Greg KH
     [not found]     ` <40482ACC.3070504@kubla.de>
2004-03-10 22:53       ` Greg KH
     [not found] ` <1078422507.3614.20.camel@nosferatu.lan>
2004-03-04 18:46   ` Greg KH
2004-03-09 11:51 ` "Andrey Borzenkov" 
2004-03-10  2:34 ` Oliver Neukum
2004-03-10 12:29 ` "Andrey Borzenkov" 
2004-03-10 12:56 ` Prakash K. Cheemplavam
2004-03-10 22:51   ` Greg KH
2004-03-10 23:17     ` Prakash K. Cheemplavam
2004-03-11  1:21       ` Greg KH
2004-03-13  9:34         ` Prakash K. Cheemplavam
2004-03-11  3:30 ` Oliver Neukum
2004-03-11  9:22 ` "Andrey Borzenkov" 
2004-03-12 23:39 ` Greg KH
     [not found] <20040303153403.21649.81059.Mailman@linux.us.dell.com>
     [not found] ` <4048D503.10808@mail.ru>
2004-03-09  8:19   ` Greg KH
2004-03-09 10:16     ` rihad
2004-03-09 13:43       ` Alex Goddard
2004-03-10 22:52       ` Greg KH
     [not found] <fa.dbn18ei.1k46o3i@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.afjk56q.t0ulic@ifi.uio.no>
2004-03-10 13:02   ` walt
2004-03-10 21:01     ` Prakash K. Cheemplavam
     [not found] <fa.fkf6pbs.vk4328@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.aj3o3v7.pgqn9l@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]   ` <404F9E5F.2010001@myrealbox.com>
2004-03-11  0:11     ` Prakash K. Cheemplavam

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