* Re: Hotplug-Perl?
2005-10-17 22:20 Hotplug-Perl? raid517
@ 2005-10-17 23:20 ` Kay Sievers
2005-10-27 10:03 ` Hotplug-Perl? Olivier Blin
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From: Kay Sievers @ 2005-10-17 23:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: linux-hotplug
On Mon, Oct 17, 2005 at 10:20:05PM +0000, raid517 wrote:
> Hi, are you guys aware of hotplug-perl?
> http://opensource.idealcorp.com/hotplug-perl/ This seems like a very
> promising improvement on the original hotplug and promises a significant
> speed enhancement. Would anyone consider including it as part of Udev?
> Is this even possible?
This is no longer needed. The whole "hotplug" package is almost dead, as nobody
needs to parse *.map files these days to load a module. The kernel exports
the MODALIAS string in sysfs and the event environment, which can be
natively handled by modprobe. No need for _any_ magic script.
The remaining part of the "hotplug" package is mostly converted to udev
rules. We are currently working on getting rid of the coldplug *.rc scripts
as well.
Kay
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2005-10-17 22:20 Hotplug-Perl? raid517
2005-10-17 23:20 ` Hotplug-Perl? Kay Sievers
@ 2005-10-27 10:03 ` Olivier Blin
2005-10-27 10:10 ` Hotplug-Perl? Marco d'Itri
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From: Olivier Blin @ 2005-10-27 10:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: linux-hotplug
Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@vrfy.org> writes:
> This is no longer needed. The whole "hotplug" package is almost dead, as nobody
> needs to parse *.map files these days to load a module. The kernel exports
> the MODALIAS string in sysfs and the event environment, which can be
> natively handled by modprobe. No need for _any_ magic script.
This map feature is still appreciated to detect PTP cameras and
scanners for example. Module loading isn't required for these devices,
but a script may have to be run to alert desktop applications.
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2005-10-17 22:20 Hotplug-Perl? raid517
2005-10-17 23:20 ` Hotplug-Perl? Kay Sievers
2005-10-27 10:03 ` Hotplug-Perl? Olivier Blin
@ 2005-10-27 10:10 ` Marco d'Itri
2005-10-27 10:30 ` Hotplug-Perl? Olivier Blin
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From: Marco d'Itri @ 2005-10-27 10:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: linux-hotplug
On Oct 27, Olivier Blin <oblin@mandriva.com> wrote:
> This map feature is still appreciated to detect PTP cameras and
> scanners for example. Module loading isn't required for these devices,
> but a script may have to be run to alert desktop applications.
So what? Look at the debian package for e.g. libsane, eciadsl or
libgphoto. There is a script which generates a rules file with the RUN
rules needed for all devices supported.
There is no reason at all to use maps.
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2005-10-17 22:20 Hotplug-Perl? raid517
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2005-10-27 10:10 ` Hotplug-Perl? Marco d'Itri
@ 2005-10-27 10:30 ` Olivier Blin
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From: Olivier Blin @ 2005-10-27 10:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: linux-hotplug
md@Linux.IT (Marco d'Itri) writes:
> On Oct 27, Olivier Blin <oblin@mandriva.com> wrote:
>
>> This map feature is still appreciated to detect PTP cameras and
>> scanners for example. Module loading isn't required for these devices,
>> but a script may have to be run to alert desktop applications.
> So what? Look at the debian package for e.g. libsane, eciadsl or
> libgphoto. There is a script which generates a rules file with the RUN
> rules needed for all devices supported.
I did the same for Mandriva, see
http://cvs.mandriva.com/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/SPECS/udev/udev_import_usermap?rev=1.5&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup
> There is no reason at all to use maps.
No, but we should provide a tool to convert maps in the udev package.
The script you use in Debian is quite similar to mine, but it's
duplicated among all your packages.
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2005-10-17 22:20 Hotplug-Perl? raid517
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2005-10-27 10:30 ` Hotplug-Perl? Olivier Blin
@ 2005-10-27 10:33 ` Marco d'Itri
2005-10-27 10:44 ` Hotplug-Perl? Olivier Blin
2005-10-28 1:16 ` Hotplug-Perl? Kay Sievers
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From: Marco d'Itri @ 2005-10-27 10:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: linux-hotplug
On Oct 27, Olivier Blin <oblin@mandriva.com> wrote:
> No, but we should provide a tool to convert maps in the udev package.
No, we should tell upstream maintainers that it's about time they fix
their packages to properly support udev.
> The script you use in Debian is quite similar to mine, but it's
> duplicated among all your packages.
Because they are different packages with different needs and providing
the data about the devices they support in different formats...
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2005-10-17 22:20 Hotplug-Perl? raid517
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2005-10-27 10:33 ` Hotplug-Perl? Marco d'Itri
@ 2005-10-27 10:44 ` Olivier Blin
2005-10-28 1:16 ` Hotplug-Perl? Kay Sievers
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From: Olivier Blin @ 2005-10-27 10:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: linux-hotplug
md@Linux.IT (Marco d'Itri) writes:
> On Oct 27, Olivier Blin <oblin@mandriva.com> wrote:
>
>> No, but we should provide a tool to convert maps in the udev package.
> No, we should tell upstream maintainers that it's about time they fix
> their packages to properly support udev.
This does not prevent the udev team to provide a tool to help upstream
maintainers.
>> The script you use in Debian is quite similar to mine, but it's
>> duplicated among all your packages.
> Because they are different packages with different needs and providing
> the data about the devices they support in different formats...
It's not much work to provide a generic tool that handles that.
I think it's really worth the maintainance cost needed to port other
packages.
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2005-10-17 22:20 Hotplug-Perl? raid517
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2005-10-27 10:44 ` Hotplug-Perl? Olivier Blin
@ 2005-10-28 1:16 ` Kay Sievers
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From: Kay Sievers @ 2005-10-28 1:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: linux-hotplug
On Thu, Oct 27, 2005 at 12:03:33PM +0200, Olivier Blin wrote:
> Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@vrfy.org> writes:
>
> > This is no longer needed. The whole "hotplug" package is almost dead, as nobody
> > needs to parse *.map files these days to load a module. The kernel exports
> > the MODALIAS string in sysfs and the event environment, which can be
> > natively handled by modprobe. No need for _any_ magic script.
>
> This map feature is still appreciated to detect PTP cameras and
> scanners for example. Module loading isn't required for these devices,
> but a script may have to be run to alert desktop applications.
That is what HAL is used for today. You really want to do more than
running a "notification program". HAL has all the data for scanners
and cameras available along with all the other device properties,
userspace is interested in.
Kay
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