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From: Oliver Neukum <Oliver.Neukum@lrz.uni-muenchen.de>
To: linux-hotplug@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Adding PCMCIA support to the kernel tree -- developers needed.
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 13:22:46 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <marc-linux-hotplug-98163848100478@msgid-missing> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <marc-linux-hotplug-98118528107653@msgid-missing>

> > There's the little issue of a very limited device node space.
>
> You don't necessarily have to expand it, you just need to use it with
> care.

If you want stable names based on bus position then you absolutely
need to expand it. For USB at least you have no other way to get a stable 
name.

> > That doesn't mean that I don't agree with the diagnosis.
> > I just don't see a way to implement the remedy cleanly.
>
> Well, I think letting the hotplug program decide what the device will
> appear as (the name or possibly also major/minor numbers) could work?

I believe it could work, but at the same time I think it is a very bad idea.

a) How do you operate during system start ?
b) How do you do the transition ?
c) How do you handle locking ? You need total mutual exclusion.
d) How do you handle an error in the hotplug agent ?
e) What other algorithmus that couldn't be trivially implemented in kernel do 
you want to use ?

Either you use stable names, or you let the kernel decide the name and
give it to the  hotplug agent.
The first approach isn't all that good because it ruins things like 
/dev/videoX or /dev/audioX.
The second requires hotplug notification on device registration.

	Regards
		Oliver

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-02-08 13:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 107+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-02-03  7:28 Adding PCMCIA support to the kernel tree -- developers needed Miles Lane
2001-02-03 10:07 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-02-03 19:27 ` David Woodhouse
2001-02-03 23:59 ` Miles Lane
2001-02-04  0:00 ` David Hinds
2001-02-04  0:05 ` David Woodhouse
2001-02-04  1:19 ` David Brownell
2001-02-04  1:58 ` Miles Lane
2001-02-04  3:26 ` Keith Owens
2001-02-04  5:59 ` Miles Lane
2001-02-04  8:56 ` David Hinds
2001-02-04  9:55 ` David Woodhouse
2001-02-04 10:00 ` David Woodhouse
2001-02-04 10:10 ` Oliver Neukum
2001-02-04 10:53 ` David Woodhouse
2001-02-04 11:37 ` David Woodhouse
2001-02-04 17:34 ` David Hinds
2001-02-04 18:02 ` Miles Lane
2001-02-04 18:16 ` Oliver Neukum
2001-02-04 18:54 ` Miles Lane
2001-02-05  1:14 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-02-05  1:56 ` David Brownell
2001-02-05  2:43 ` Miles Lane
2001-02-05  8:42 ` Miles Lane
2001-02-05 10:01 ` Keith Owens
2001-02-05 10:13 ` Keith Owens
2001-02-05 23:43 ` David Woodhouse
2001-02-05 23:45 ` David Woodhouse
2001-02-05 23:59 ` Oliver Neukum
2001-02-06  0:27 ` Miles Lane
2001-02-06  1:10 ` David Brownell
2001-02-06  1:40 ` David Brownell
2001-02-06  6:55 ` Miles Lane
2001-02-06  7:11 ` David Woodhouse
2001-02-06  7:58 ` David Hinds
2001-02-06  8:02 ` David Hinds
2001-02-06  8:13 ` David Hinds
2001-02-06  9:51 ` Oliver Neukum
2001-02-06 13:46 ` Andrew Morton
2001-02-06 15:15 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-02-06 15:20 ` David Woodhouse
2001-02-06 15:33 ` Oliver Neukum
2001-02-06 15:35 ` David Woodhouse
2001-02-06 15:54 ` Oliver Neukum
2001-02-06 16:43 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-02-06 18:56 ` David Brownell
2001-02-06 19:22 ` David Brownell
2001-02-06 19:31 ` David Brownell
2001-02-06 22:09 ` Adam J. Richter
2001-02-06 22:10 ` Andrew Morton
2001-02-06 22:50 ` Oliver Neukum
2001-02-06 23:07 ` Andrew Morton
2001-02-06 23:12 ` Andrew Morton
2001-02-06 23:14 ` Andrew Morton
2001-02-06 23:20 ` David Woodhouse
2001-02-06 23:30 ` Oliver Neukum
2001-02-06 23:34 ` Oliver Neukum
2001-02-06 23:36 ` Andrew Morton
2001-02-07  1:33 ` David Brownell
2001-02-07  2:11 ` Miles Lane
2001-02-07  2:38 ` Adam J. Richter
2001-02-07  9:02 ` Oliver Neukum
2001-02-07  9:09 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2001-02-07  9:10 ` David Woodhouse
2001-02-07  9:35 ` Oliver Neukum
2001-02-07  9:37 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2001-02-07  9:57 ` Oliver Neukum
2001-02-07 10:11 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2001-02-07 10:27 ` David Woodhouse
2001-02-07 10:29 ` Oliver Neukum
2001-02-07 10:30 ` David Woodhouse
2001-02-07 14:45 ` Oliver Neukum
2001-02-07 15:19 ` Adam J. Richter
2001-02-07 16:11 ` Oliver Neukum
2001-02-07 17:37 ` Miles Lane
2001-02-07 17:48 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2001-02-07 18:24 ` David Brownell
2001-02-07 18:42 ` David Brownell
2001-02-07 18:47 ` David Brownell
2001-02-07 18:47 ` Oliver Neukum
2001-02-07 19:00 ` David Brownell
2001-02-07 19:29 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2001-02-07 19:59 ` Miles Lane
2001-02-07 21:02 ` Oliver Neukum
2001-02-07 21:14 ` David Brownell
2001-02-07 22:43 ` Oliver Neukum
2001-02-08  7:22 ` Miles Lane
2001-02-08  9:29 ` Adam J. Richter
2001-02-08 10:24 ` Oliver Neukum
2001-02-08 12:47 ` Andrew Morton
2001-02-08 13:22 ` Oliver Neukum [this message]
2001-02-08 13:49 ` Andrew Morton
2001-02-08 14:07 ` Oliver Neukum
2001-02-08 15:00 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2001-02-08 15:10 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2001-02-08 15:13 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2001-02-09  7:42 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2001-02-09 11:48 ` Oliver Neukum
2001-02-09 12:45 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2001-02-09 13:09 ` Oliver Neukum
2001-02-09 14:15 ` David Brownell
2001-02-09 15:45 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2001-02-26 17:47 ` David Brownell
2001-02-26 21:45 ` Chris Brand
2001-02-27  7:56 ` David Hinds
2001-02-28 16:56 ` David Brownell
2001-02-28 17:32 ` David Hinds

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