Re: OT(?) -- Should the net.agent script cause "ifup lo" to be run?

[Bill Nottingham <notting@redhat.com>]

David Brownell (david-b@pacbell.net) said: 
> > It would be nice to be able to determine whether an interface
> > is created because someone manually loaded the module or whether
> > kmod loaded it, but I'm not sure how that would be instrumented.
> 
> One thing I'm saying is that such things shouldn't matter.
> Intent shouldn't be asked; reliable program systems
> rarely have "if (CameFrom (...)) ..." logic.

Maybe. I'd prefer something more flexible. Because, all hotplug issues
aside, the assumption that you automatically want to bring up an
interface immediately on loading any module is one that's never been
made before, and one that I personally find irritating. (Then again,
I can just disable hotplug entirely, but I'd prefer to have it for
other things.)

> > > In the 2.5
> > > kernels it might be good to make all network interfaces
> > > fit into a common initialization model.
> > 
> > I think you're fundamentally misunderstanding how PPP works; for
> 
> I think you're misunderstanding what I'm saying.  But since
> network interface operation can't change for 2.4, and I
> think that's what you're focussed on, I won't try to clarify.

Please clarify. What I'm saying is that PPP is so fundamentally different
that you *can't* fit it into the ethernet model, even in a 2.5 framework,
unless you're willing to redesign the whole kernel/pppd/dialer interaction,
which would be a lot of code and would probably meet with a lot of
resistance.

Bill

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