Re: OT(?) -- Should the net.agent script cause "ifup lo" to be run?

[Miles Lane <miles@megapathdsl.net>]

Bill Nottingham wrote:

> David Brownell (david-b@pacbell.net) said: 
> 
>> Noise in /var/log/messages that will normally be ignored.
>> (If it's a problem, wouldn't it be a cardmgr problem?)
> 
> 
> Yes, you could certainly make cardmgr be quiet.
> 
> 
>> Systems with a dozen USB devices are not uncommon;
>> I'd rather rely on hub LEDs for feedback than get lots of
>> noise on reboot, or when I plug in a hub that has a bunch
>> of devices already connected.
> 
> 
> I'm not talking about USB at all. I'm talking about the transition
> of users from 2.2 based systems to 2.4, and their expectations
> thereof.
> 
> 
>> "Have both these installed and any supported card will work"
>> doesn't seem odd!  Quite the opposite.
> 
> 
> I don't see how telling people 'you know all that stuff that used
> to work fine? Now you need to install this *additional* package, which
> is subtly different, and is configured differently, just to get 
> the same functionality' wouldn't seem odd to them, especially when
> they have to keep the old package around.

If we don't jettison pcmcia_cs soon by just bundling cardctl
and the config files into a hotplug distribution, aren't we
just overlooking the obvious?  Please explain to me why I
am wrong about this.

> Basically, I just find the idea of using both at the same time ugly;
> I'd prefer sticking with cardmgr, or doing the kernel work and
> going fully to the hotplug package.

Yes.  I believe the plan is to go hotplug-only ASAP.  If you
can suggest exactly what you think is needed to make that
happen, that would be a good start.

>>> It's actually not too hard to make cardmgr work fine with 2.4.
>> 
>> Never said it was.  The question is how to handle cardbus
>> support, given that pcmcia_cs (with cardmgr) is oriented
>> towards pcmcia while the overall Linux direction seems to
>> be to towards a more general framework for pci hotplug.
> 
> 
> One can use cardmgr's previous cardbus support with minor kernel
> patches.

Can you explain what you mean a bit more?

	Miles


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