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From: Jork Loeser <jloeser@linux.microsoft.com>
To: Pasha Tatashin <pasha.tatashin@soleen.com>
Cc: Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>,
	linux-hyperv@vger.kernel.org,  linux-mm@kvack.org,
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	 linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, x86@kernel.org,
	 linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Michael Kelley <mhklinux@outlook.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 00/20] mshv: enable kexec with Hyper-V donated pages and partitions
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2026 13:15:11 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4172d271-21b4-346-924e-406baef179a1@linux.microsoft.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ah2eBxaBnVs_1j5n@google.com>



On Mon, 1 Jun 2026, Pasha Tatashin wrote:

> On 05-31 20:10, Mike Rapoport wrote:

>>>  - A freeze mechanism to lock the tree before serializing for kexec
>>>    (patch 13).
>>
>> There were a lot of effort to make KHO stateless and drop the requirement
>> for finalization/freeze.
>
> Yes, using KHO directly here is incorrect. The state machine is provided
> by LUO, so we should use LUO here. MSHV should provide a file that
> userspace adds to LUO, and all state machine management would be the
> same as for all other clients participating in LU.

The thing is, there is no file handle to rely on. Even once partitions are 
all removed, Hyper-V might hang onto pages (and won't return them even if 
asked). However, these pages very much must be excluded from Linux 
post-kexec, or the system will crash. We cannot rely on UM to ensure 
integrity of memory management.

Contrast that to standard LUO use: If you drop individual file handles, or 
even skip the LUO phase entirely, the worst that will happen is that the 
objects will be gone post-kexec. The MM itself will still be consistent. 
For MSHV & page donation, this is different.

(And yes, partition preservation will very much tie into LUO)

Best,
Jork


  reply	other threads:[~2026-06-01 20:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-05-28  0:41 [RFC PATCH 00/20] mshv: enable kexec with Hyper-V donated pages and partitions Jork Loeser
2026-05-28  0:41 ` [RFC PATCH 01/20] kho: generalize radix tree APIs Jork Loeser
2026-05-28  1:22   ` sashiko-bot
2026-05-28  0:41 ` [RFC PATCH 02/20] kho: store incoming radix tree in kho_in Jork Loeser
2026-05-28  1:08   ` sashiko-bot
2026-05-28  0:41 ` [RFC PATCH 03/20] kho: add a struct for radix callbacks Jork Loeser
2026-05-28  0:41 ` [RFC PATCH 04/20] kho: add callback for table pages Jork Loeser
2026-05-28  1:33   ` sashiko-bot
2026-05-28  0:41 ` [RFC PATCH 05/20] kho: add data argument to radix walk callback Jork Loeser
2026-05-28  1:11   ` sashiko-bot
2026-05-28  0:41 ` [RFC PATCH 06/20] kho: allow early-boot usage of the KHO radix tree Jork Loeser
2026-05-28  1:40   ` sashiko-bot
2026-05-28  0:41 ` [RFC PATCH 07/20] kho: allow destroying " Jork Loeser
2026-05-28  0:41 ` [RFC PATCH 08/20] kho: add kho_radix_init_tree() Jork Loeser
2026-05-28  1:21   ` sashiko-bot
2026-05-28  0:41 ` [RFC PATCH 09/20] memblock: introduce MEMBLOCK_KHO_SCRATCH_EXT Jork Loeser
2026-05-28  0:41 ` [RFC PATCH 10/20] kho: extended scratch Jork Loeser
2026-05-28  1:21   ` sashiko-bot
2026-05-28  0:41 ` [RFC PATCH 11/20] kho: return virtual address of mem_map Jork Loeser
2026-05-28  1:27   ` sashiko-bot
2026-05-28  0:41 ` [RFC PATCH 12/20] mm/hugetlb: make bootmem allocation work with KHO Jork Loeser
2026-05-28  1:06   ` sashiko-bot
2026-05-28  0:41 ` [RFC PATCH 13/20] kho: add radix tree freeze and del_key() error reporting Jork Loeser
2026-05-28  1:34   ` sashiko-bot
2026-05-28  0:41 ` [RFC PATCH 14/20] kho: Add crash-kernel-safe radix tree presence check Jork Loeser
2026-05-28  1:27   ` sashiko-bot
2026-05-28  0:41 ` [RFC PATCH 15/20] mshv: Use page tracker to manage MSHV-owned pages and preserve with KHO Jork Loeser
2026-05-28  1:41   ` sashiko-bot
2026-05-28  0:41 ` [RFC PATCH 16/20] mshv: Add debugfs interface to page tracker Jork Loeser
2026-05-28  1:48   ` sashiko-bot
2026-05-28  0:41 ` [RFC PATCH 17/20] hyperv: Reserve crash MSR P2 for page preservation root PA Jork Loeser
2026-05-28  1:34   ` sashiko-bot
2026-05-28  0:42 ` [RFC PATCH 18/20] mshv: Exclude Hyper-V donated pages from crash dump collection Jork Loeser
2026-05-28  2:13   ` sashiko-bot
2026-05-28  0:42 ` [RFC PATCH 19/20] kexec: export kexec_in_progress for modules Jork Loeser
2026-05-28  0:42 ` [RFC PATCH 20/20] mshv: freeze and vacuum partitions across kexec Jork Loeser
2026-05-28  2:11   ` sashiko-bot
2026-05-31 17:10 ` [RFC PATCH 00/20] mshv: enable kexec with Hyper-V donated pages and partitions Mike Rapoport
2026-06-01 15:00   ` Pasha Tatashin
2026-06-01 20:15     ` Jork Loeser [this message]
2026-06-01 20:09   ` Jork Loeser

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