From: Stanislav Kinsburskii <skinsburskii@gmail.com>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 2/8] mm/hmm: add hmm_range_fault_unlocked_timeout() for mmap lock-drop support
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2026 10:06:44 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <alEmpEv-Q_bQFzNu@skinsburskii> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260710163835.GR118978@ziepe.ca>
On Fri, Jul 10, 2026 at 01:38:35PM -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 07, 2026 at 12:47:01PM -0700, Stanislav Kinsburskii wrote:
> > hmm_range_fault() requires the caller to hold the mmap read lock for the
> > duration of the call. This is incompatible with mappings whose fault
> > handler may release the mmap lock, notably userfaultfd-managed regions,
> > where handle_mm_fault() can return VM_FAULT_RETRY or VM_FAULT_COMPLETED
> > after dropping the lock. Drivers that need to populate device page tables
> > for such mappings have no way to do so today.
>
> sashiko could not apply v7 for some reason but the remarks on v6
> seemed meaningful, did you see them were they delt with?
>
Yes, I dealt with them.
> https://sashiko.dev/#/patchset/178336023903.504354.7500950448226027718.stgit%40skinsburskii
>
> > diff --git a/Documentation/mm/hmm.rst b/Documentation/mm/hmm.rst
> > index 7d61b7a8b65b..70885f153d03 100644
> > --- a/Documentation/mm/hmm.rst
> > +++ b/Documentation/mm/hmm.rst
> > @@ -208,6 +208,69 @@ invalidate() callback. That lock must be held before calling
> > mmu_interval_read_retry() to avoid any race with a concurrent CPU page table
> > update.
> >
> > +Dropping the mmap lock during page faults
> > +=========================================
> > +
> > +Some VMAs have fault handlers that need to release the mmap lock while
> > +servicing a fault (for example, regions managed by ``userfaultfd``).
> > +``hmm_range_fault()`` cannot be used on such mappings because it must hold the
> > +mmap lock for the duration of the call. Drivers that need to support them
> > +should call::
>
> Given the majority of callers use this API it should probably be the
> focus of the documentation and example, regulate the existing API to a
> 'BTW if you really need the mmap lock, and you really shouldn't, this
> exists too'
>
Sure, I'll update the doc to reflect it this way.
> > @@ -32,6 +32,7 @@
> >
> > struct hmm_vma_walk {
> > struct hmm_range *range;
> > + int *locked;
>
> Let's use bool if you have to respin this
>
Sure.
> > @@ -651,37 +663,33 @@ static int hmm_do_fault(struct mm_struct *mm,
> > fault_flags |= FAULT_FLAG_WRITE;
> > }
> >
> > - for (; addr < end; addr += PAGE_SIZE)
> > - if (handle_mm_fault(vma, addr, fault_flags, NULL) &
> > - VM_FAULT_ERROR)
> > - return -EFAULT;
> > + for (; addr < end; addr += PAGE_SIZE) {
> > + vm_fault_t ret;
> > +
> > + ret = handle_mm_fault(vma, addr, fault_flags, NULL);
> > +
> > + if (ret & (VM_FAULT_COMPLETED | VM_FAULT_RETRY)) {
> > + *hmm_vma_walk->locked = 0;
> > + return HMM_FAULT_UNLOCKED;
> > + }
> > +
> > + if (ret & VM_FAULT_ERROR) {
> > + int err = vm_fault_to_errno(ret, 0);
> > +
> > + if (err)
> > + return err;
> > + BUG();
>
> Linux will be upset if he sees this.
>
> if (WARN_ON(!err))
> err = -EINVAL
>
It will. I copied it from GUP.
I'll change it the way you propose it.
> > +/**
> > + * hmm_range_fault - try to fault some address in a virtual address range
> > + * @range: argument structure
> > + *
> > + * Returns 0 on success or one of the following error codes:
> > + *
> > + * -EINVAL: Invalid arguments or mm or virtual address is in an invalid vma
> > + * (e.g., device file vma).
> > + * -ENOMEM: Out of memory.
> > + * -EPERM: Invalid permission (e.g., asking for write and range is read
> > + * only).
> > + * -EBUSY: The range has been invalidated and the caller needs to wait for
> > + * the invalidation to finish.
> > + * -EFAULT: A page was requested to be valid and could not be made valid
> > + * ie it has no backing VMA or it is illegal to access
> > + *
> > + * This is similar to get_user_pages(), except that it can read the page tables
> > + * without mutating them (ie causing faults).
> > + *
> > + * The mmap lock must be held by the caller and will remain held on return.
> > + * For a variant that allows the mmap lock to be dropped during faults (e.g.,
> > + * for userfaultfd support), see hmm_range_fault_unlocked_timeout().
> > + */
>
> Add a comment discourging anyone from using this function and prefer
> hmm_range_fault_unlocked_timeout()
>
Will do.
Thanks,
Stanislav
> Other than the concern about the timeout and minor nits this looks
> fine
>
> Jason
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-07-10 17:06 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-07-07 19:46 [PATCH v7 0/8] mm/hmm: Add mmap lock-drop support for userfaultfd-backed mappings Stanislav Kinsburskii
2026-07-07 19:46 ` [PATCH v7 1/8] mm/hmm: move page fault handling out of walk callbacks Stanislav Kinsburskii
2026-07-10 16:31 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-07-07 19:47 ` [PATCH v7 2/8] mm/hmm: add hmm_range_fault_unlocked_timeout() for mmap lock-drop support Stanislav Kinsburskii
2026-07-10 16:27 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-07-10 16:47 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-07-10 17:02 ` Stanislav Kinsburskii
2026-07-10 18:03 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-07-10 18:07 ` Stanislav Kinsburskii
2026-07-10 16:48 ` Stanislav Kinsburskii
2026-07-10 16:38 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-07-10 17:06 ` Stanislav Kinsburskii [this message]
2026-07-07 19:47 ` [PATCH v7 3/8] selftests/mm: add HMM tests for mmap lock-dropping faults Stanislav Kinsburskii
2026-07-07 19:47 ` [PATCH v7 4/8] mshv: Use hmm_range_fault_unlocked_timeout() for region faults Stanislav Kinsburskii
2026-07-10 16:39 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-07-07 19:47 ` [PATCH v7 5/8] drm/nouveau: Use hmm_range_fault_unlocked_timeout() for SVM faults Stanislav Kinsburskii
2026-07-10 16:40 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-07-07 19:47 ` [PATCH v7 6/8] RDMA/umem: Use hmm_range_fault_unlocked_timeout() for ODP faults Stanislav Kinsburskii
2026-07-10 16:43 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-07-07 19:47 ` [PATCH v7 7/8] accel/amdxdna: Use hmm_range_fault_unlocked_timeout() for range population Stanislav Kinsburskii
2026-07-10 16:43 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-07-07 19:47 ` [PATCH v7 8/8] drm/gpusvm: Use hmm_range_fault_unlocked_timeout() for range faults Stanislav Kinsburskii
2026-07-10 16:44 ` Jason Gunthorpe
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