Mailing list is moving

Mailing list is moving

[Jean Delvare]

Hi folks,

The i2c mailing list will be moving to another host this week. There
are two reasons that motivated this decision:

* The address "i2c-GZX6beZjE8VD60Wz+7aTrA@public.gmane.org" is error-prone. It makes developers
  believe that i2c and lm-sensors are still strongly related, while
  this is no longer the case. There are many subsystems using i2c (rtc,
  video, media...) and hwmon is only one of these. We keep receiving
  posts on the i2c list that should go to the lm-sensors list and posts
  on the lm-sensors list which should go to the i2c list due to this
  confusion. By moving the i2c list away from lm-sensors.org, I hope to
  put an end to this confusion.

* There have been many technical problems with the i2c mailing list
  over the past few months: recipients stripped off the Cc list, names
  split in the To or Cc list, bad interaction with other mailing lists,
  temporary unavailability... By moving the list to another host, I
  hope that all these problems will be solved as well.

The new mailing list will be named linux-i2c (to make it clearer what
exactly the list is about) and will be hosted on vger.kernel.org (which
already hosts the linux-pci and linux-usb mailing lists amongst many
others.) I invite all subscribers to the i2c list to subscribe to the
new list now. For this, all you have to do is send a mail to
majordomo-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org with the following line in the mail body:

subscribe linux-i2c

And then follow the instructions.

In 48 hours (that is, on October, Wednesday 29th, at 13:00 UTC), the old
i2c mailing list will be closed. All attempts to post to it will
redirect the poster to the new linux-i2c mailing list. I'll see what
facility mailman implements to make this as user-friendly and automatic
as possible.

Thanks,
-- 
Jean Delvare

_______________________________________________
i2c mailing list
i2c-GZX6beZjE8VD60Wz+7aTrA@public.gmane.org
http://lists.lm-sensors.org/mailman/listinfo/i2c

Re: Mailing list is moving

[Jean Delvare]

On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 13:39:58 +0100, Jean Delvare wrote:
> In 48 hours (that is, on October, Wednesday 29th, at 13:00 UTC), the old
> i2c mailing list will be closed. All attempts to post to it will
> redirect the poster to the new linux-i2c mailing list. I'll see what
> facility mailman implements to make this as user-friendly and automatic
> as possible.

Here we go. Hopefully I've configured mailman properly and everyone now
attempting to post to this (old) i2c list should receive the following
auto-reply:

*****
The i2c mailing list has moved to kernel.org. Please resend your message to:
linux-i2c-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org

Subscription information can be found at:
http://vger.kernel.org/vger-lists.html#linux-i2c
*****

I will now try to get gmane and marc.info to archive the new linux-i2c
list instead of the old i2c list.

-- 
Jean Delvare

_______________________________________________
i2c mailing list
i2c-GZX6beZjE8VD60Wz+7aTrA@public.gmane.org
http://lists.lm-sensors.org/mailman/listinfo/i2c

Re: [i2c] Mailing list is moving

[Michelle Konzack]

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Salut Jean,

Why do you have not exported the mailinlist members  and  imported  into
<vger.kernel.org>?

And of course, even  <vger.kernel.org>  use  a  rather  old  version  of
majordomo where noone can set it to "nomail" which I need for this email
since I receive over 10000 spams and backscatters per  day  and  do  not
realy like to get more messages in the box which I do not need  since  I
am subscribed with a second NON-PUBLIC e-mail to get the messages
without spam.

Do you know, whether <vger.kernel.org> can be upgraded to use  majordomo
version 2.x which would a very big benefit...  and it works without  any
problems even with several 100000 subscribers.

Note:  I am not able to subscribe with my NON-PUBLIC e-mail for an
       unknown reason (I receive not even a confimation mail)

Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening
    Michelle Konzack
    Systemadministrator
    24V Electronic Engineer
    Tamay Dogan Network
    Debian GNU/Linux Consultant


Am 2008-10-29 13:45:47, schrieb Jean Delvare:
> On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 13:39:58 +0100, Jean Delvare wrote:
> > In 48 hours (that is, on October, Wednesday 29th, at 13:00 UTC), the old
> > i2c mailing list will be closed. All attempts to post to it will
> > redirect the poster to the new linux-i2c mailing list. I'll see what
> > facility mailman implements to make this as user-friendly and automatic
> > as possible.
> 
> Here we go. Hopefully I've configured mailman properly and everyone now
> attempting to post to this (old) i2c list should receive the following
> auto-reply:
> 
> *****
> The i2c mailing list has moved to kernel.org. Please resend your message to:
> linux-i2c-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
> 
> Subscription information can be found at:
> http://vger.kernel.org/vger-lists.html#linux-i2c
> *****
> 
> I will now try to get gmane and marc.info to archive the new linux-i2c
> list instead of the old i2c list.
> 
> -- 
> Jean Delvare
> 
> _______________________________________________
> i2c mailing list
> i2c-GZX6beZjE8VD60Wz+7aTrA@public.gmane.org
> http://lists.lm-sensors.org/mailman/listinfo/i2c
> 
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Re: [i2c] Mailing list is moving

[David Miller]

From: Michelle Konzack <linux4michelle-qCYv2r+mE47ltxMxsNcu6w@public.gmane.org>
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 15:00:40 +0100

> Why do you have not exported the mailinlist members and imported
> into <vger.kernel.org>?

Because that is against our policy for several reasons,
but most importantly experience (10+ years) has shown
us that if a user does not go through the subscription
process on their own they will have troubling figuring
out how to unsubscribe which angers them an eventually
us postmasters have to undo the mess.

> Do you know, whether <vger.kernel.org> can be upgraded to use
> majordomo version 2.x which would a very big benefit...  and it
> works without any problems even with several 100000 subscribers.

When you run a mail server you can decide how to run it
or what versions of which software to use.

> Note:  I am not able to subscribe with my NON-PUBLIC e-mail for an
>        unknown reason (I receive not even a confimation mail)

You cannot subscribe email address A from email address B,
if that is what you are trying to do.  We will not approve
such requests.

You must subscribe exactly from the account you wish to
add, using an empty email address field in the subscribe
command.

If need be forge your From: email address field.

But if you're going to be this difficult about this facility that is
provided free of charge to you (by telling us what version of which
software to run, how the current configuration is inconvenient to you,
etc.)  you might as well save yourself a lot of pain and false
expectations and just use some external archive to read the i2c list.

You can post here freely as we do not require subscriptions
in order to make list postings, and there is no moderation
so there is no latency involved in such non-member postings.