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From: David Brownell <david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
To: Jean Delvare <khali-PUYAD+kWke1g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Clifford Wolf <clifford-cPpHkPqGOEfk7+2FdBfRIA@public.gmane.org>,
	Linux I2C <linux-i2c-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org,
	Ben Dooks <ben-linux-elnMNo+KYs3YtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: + i2c-fix-i2c-mpc-driver-for-multi-master-i2c-busses.patch  added to -mm tree
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 03:58:47 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200902160358.48176.david-b@pacbell.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090216092000.13af2d74-ig7AzVSIIG7kN2dkZ6Wm7A@public.gmane.org>

On Monday 16 February 2009, Jean Delvare wrote:
> > There's no guarantee of idempotency in messages; only
> > callers can know if retrying a given partially completed
> > message is safe.  And since fault reporting is still goofy,
> > we can't know just where arbitration was lost... in the
> > first master transmit, second (after repeated START),
> > third, etc.
> 
> As already explained by Clifford, arbitration loss is about messages
> which have not been transmitted at all. So retrying is always OK.

I must have missed that.  It's not correct, in any case.
Messages can easily have been *partially* transmitted.

Loss of arbitration appears at the first transmitted bit
where one master sends '0' and overrides another, which
is sending '1' instead.  Ideally it's while addressing a
device, but it could be after some data bytes have been
sent ... and, depending on the slave, acted upon.  Even
after one or more repeated starts.

- Dave

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-02-16 11:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <200812222101.mBML1kn7021201@imap1.linux-foundation.org>
     [not found] ` <20090108154604.2cade06e@hyperion.delvare>
     [not found] ` <20090109100145.GA12376@clifford.at>
     [not found]   ` <20090214121745.39dfddf9@hyperion.delvare>
     [not found]     ` <200902151653.36860.david-b@pacbell.net>
     [not found]       ` <200902151653.36860.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-16  8:20         ` + i2c-fix-i2c-mpc-driver-for-multi-master-i2c-busses.patch added to -mm tree Jean Delvare
     [not found]           ` <20090216092000.13af2d74-ig7AzVSIIG7kN2dkZ6Wm7A@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-16 11:58             ` David Brownell [this message]
     [not found]               ` <200902160358.48176.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-16 12:41                 ` Clifford Wolf
2009-02-16 13:08                 ` Handling of i2c arbitration loss (Was: i2c-fix-i2c-mpc-driver-for-multi-master-i2c-busses.patch added to -mm tree) Jean Delvare
     [not found]                   ` <20090216140809.01acaea1-ig7AzVSIIG7kN2dkZ6Wm7A@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-19 19:15                     ` David Brownell
     [not found]                       ` <200902191115.07289.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-19 21:08                         ` Clifford Wolf
2009-02-19 21:31                         ` Jean Delvare
     [not found]     ` <20090214180014.GA19352@clifford.at>
     [not found]       ` <20090215113122.5bcc3f3d@hyperion.delvare>
     [not found]         ` <20090216131026.GA17437@clifford.at>
     [not found]           ` <20090216131026.GA17437-cPpHkPqGOEfk7+2FdBfRIA@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-19 16:26             ` Handling of i2c arbitration loss Jean Delvare
     [not found]               ` <20090219172605.7e70a797-ig7AzVSIIG7kN2dkZ6Wm7A@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-19 21:23                 ` Clifford Wolf
     [not found]                   ` <20090219212325.GC16107-cPpHkPqGOEfk7+2FdBfRIA@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-20 11:45                     ` Jean Delvare
     [not found]                       ` <20090220124546.193e49f2-ig7AzVSIIG7kN2dkZ6Wm7A@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-09  6:47                         ` Jean Delvare
     [not found]                           ` <20090409084726.3f2bd193-ig7AzVSIIG7kN2dkZ6Wm7A@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-09  8:35                             ` Clifford Wolf
     [not found]                               ` <20090409083553.GA20058-cPpHkPqGOEfk7+2FdBfRIA@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-23 12:24                                 ` Jean Delvare

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