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From: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
To: Leon Woestenberg <leon.woestenberg@gmail.com>
Cc: Mark Brown <broonie@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Jean Delvare <khali@linux-fr.org>,
	Sven-Thorsten Dietrich <sven@thebigcorporation.com>,
	linux-i2c@vger.kernel.org,
	rt-users <linux-rt-users@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Ben Dooks (embedded platforms)" <ben-linux@fluff.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: yield() in i2c non-happy paths hits BUG under -rt patch
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 01:05:20 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091118010520.4cd397d4@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c384c5ea0911171650t1c441dc4v746d31e4154fcb30@mail.gmail.com>

> I think the yield()s in the device driver code means "I need a small
> delay before the hardware is ready" which might translate to some
> arbitrary "let me msleep()" or "do not select this task in the next
> scheduler run, EVEN IF this task is highest priority".

Yield() in a driver is almost always a bug. The reason for that is that
doing

	do {
		inb();
	} while(!something);

which is what yield can end up as being if there is nothing else on that
CPU is extremely bad for bus performance on most systems. It's almost
always better to be using msleep() or even mdelay + a check to see if a
reschedule is needed/schedule().

> I assume this is rather dirty and has too much overhead on the timer interfaces.

Our timers are very efficient and some day we will need to make jiffies a
function and stop the timer ticking for best performance. At that point
timers are probably the most efficient way to do much of this.

Be that as it may, yield() in a driver is almost always the wrong thing
to do.

  reply	other threads:[~2009-11-18  1:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-11-07 19:01 yield() in i2c non-happy paths hits BUG under -rt patch Leon Woestenberg
     [not found] ` <c384c5ea0911071101u7415d37o2611c542e5fae309-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-07 20:01   ` Jean Delvare
     [not found]     ` <20091107210147.3e754278-ig7AzVSIIG7kN2dkZ6Wm7A@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-08 18:57       ` Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
     [not found]         ` <4AF7148C.9090706-IsH+rWyeNGyzjR9+/8zPv5owlv4uC7bZ@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-12 20:12           ` Jean Delvare
2009-11-13 22:03             ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-11-14 18:02               ` Jean Delvare
     [not found]               ` <alpine.LFD.2.00.0911132139560.24119-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-16 15:56                 ` Mark Brown
     [not found]                   ` <20091116155606.GC29479-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-18  0:50                     ` Leon Woestenberg
2009-11-18  1:05                       ` Alan Cox [this message]
     [not found]                         ` <20091118010520.4cd397d4-qBU/x9rampVanCEyBjwyrvXRex20P6io@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-18 16:28                           ` Leon Woestenberg
2009-11-18 16:52                             ` Jean Delvare
     [not found]                               ` <20091118175202.490989d8-ig7AzVSIIG7kN2dkZ6Wm7A@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-18 20:36                                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-11-19 12:05                                   ` Jean Delvare
     [not found]                                     ` <20091119130526.23a69b85-ig7AzVSIIG7kN2dkZ6Wm7A@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-19 12:59                                       ` Alan Cox
     [not found]                                         ` <20091119125906.6ad00edd-qBU/x9rampVanCEyBjwyrvXRex20P6io@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-19 13:06                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-11-19 14:00                                             ` Jean Delvare
2009-11-19 14:15                                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-11-19 13:11                                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-11-19 13:21                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-11-19 13:22                                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-11-19 13:18                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-11-18 20:46                               ` [PATCH] cleanup sched_yield (sys)call nesting Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
     [not found]                                 ` <1258577194.12429.86.camel-ZUMNgey8dAdBci4yedNfAfz91O0DMRRp0E9HWUfgJXw@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-18 20:56                                   ` Thomas Gleixner
     [not found]                                     ` <alpine.LFD.2.00.0911182153010.24119-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-18 21:04                                       ` Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
2009-11-18 21:34                                         ` Thomas Gleixner
     [not found]                                           ` <alpine.LFD.2.00.0911182233510.24119-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-19  4:48                                             ` Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
     [not found]                                               ` <1258606116.25022.57.camel-ZUMNgey8dAdBci4yedNfAfz91O0DMRRp0E9HWUfgJXw@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-19 10:36                                                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-11-19  3:20                                   ` Ingo Molnar

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