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From: Wolfram Sang <wsa-z923LK4zBo2bacvFa/9K2g@public.gmane.org>
To: One Thousand Gnomes
	<gnomes-qBU/x9rampVanCEyBjwyrvXRex20P6io@public.gmane.org>
Cc: linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-i2c-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
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	Mark Brown <broonie-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Balbir Singh
	<bsingharora-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC 0/2] drivers: spi/i2c: account completions as iowait
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2014 20:45:06 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20141103194506.GB1449@katana> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20141103130222.1c53fa39-mUKnrFFms3BCCTY1wZZT65JpZx93mCW/@public.gmane.org>

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> > However, researching the net, users currently interpret iowait entirely as
> > blkio wait. Furthermore, io_schedule() calls delayacct_blkio_{start|end}() which
> > worked fine for my tests with I2C but might show that iowait was really meant as
> > blkiowait? So, should other subsystems use it?
> 
> I don't think so. The traditional Unix use of I/O wait is block I/O wait,
> in order to account for paging/swapping in "uptime".

I see.

> The other problem is that if you change the way it behaves you'll get
> lots of hate mail from people running server farms as all their load
> balancing and cluster management changes behaviour, plus baffled users
> wondering why their system is now busy and it wasn't in the last release.

I was fearing something like that. On the other hand, it might have been
more correct. That's why I asked.

> The other question you have to solve is that people are adding i2c and
> SPI slave support both in Android space and now perhaps upstream. How do
> you I/O account those transactions ?

I implemented I2C slave support for upstream [1] and I don't think it
needs to be acocunted. While a master transaction gets kicked off and
then waits for success using a completion, slave support is more like
serving an interrupt and then getting or putting a byte immediately.

Thanks for your answers, I'll simply keep I2C away from iowait.

   Wolfram

[1] http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/1783295


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      parent reply	other threads:[~2014-11-03 19:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 7+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-11-02 13:58 [RFC 0/2] drivers: spi/i2c: account completions as iowait Wolfram Sang
2014-11-02 13:58 ` [RFC 1/2] i2c: " Wolfram Sang
     [not found] ` <1414936689-2707-1-git-send-email-wsa-z923LK4zBo2bacvFa/9K2g@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-02 13:58   ` [RFC 2/2] spi: " Wolfram Sang
2014-11-02 16:59   ` [RFC 0/2] drivers: spi/i2c: " Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]     ` <20141102165943.GT10501-IIpfhp3q70z/8w/KjCw3T+5/BudmfyzbbVWyRVo5IupeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-03 19:31       ` Wolfram Sang
2014-11-03 13:02 ` One Thousand Gnomes
     [not found]   ` <20141103130222.1c53fa39-mUKnrFFms3BCCTY1wZZT65JpZx93mCW/@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-03 19:45     ` Wolfram Sang [this message]

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