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From: Felipe Balbi <balbi@ti.com>
To: Alexander Sverdlin <alexander.sverdlin@gmail.com>
Cc: balbi@ti.com, Alexander Sverdlin <alexander.sverdlin@nokia.com>,
	Nishanth Menon <nm@ti.com>, Dave Gerlach <d-gerlach@ti.com>,
	Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>,
	wsa@the-dreams.de, linux-i2c@vger.kernel.org,
	Linux OMAP Mailing List <linux-omap@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux ARM Kernel Mailing List
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RESEND] i2c: omap: improve duty cycle on SCL
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 13:57:14 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150617185714.GH18421@saruman.tx.rr.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5581BEB2.6070007@gmail.com>

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Hi,

On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 08:38:42PM +0200, Alexander Sverdlin wrote:
> Hello Felipe,
> 
> On 17/06/15 20:00, Felipe Balbi wrote:
> >>> With this patch we try to be as close to 50%
> >>> > > duty cycle as possible. The reason for this
> >>> > > is that some devices present an erratic behavior
> >>> > > with certain duty cycles.
> >>> > > 
> >>> > > One such example is TPS65218 PMIC which fails
> >>> > > to change voltages when running @ 400kHz and
> >>> > > duty cycle is lower than 34%.
> >>> > > 
> >>> > > The idea of the patch is simple:
> >>> > > 
> >>> > > calculate desired scl_period from requested scl
> >>> > > and use 50% for tLow and 50% for tHigh.
> >>> > > 
> >>> > > tLow is calculated with a DIV_ROUND_UP() to make
> >>> > > sure it's slightly higher than tHigh and to make
> >>> > > sure that we end up within I2C specifications.
> >>> > > 
> >>> > > Kudos to Nishanth Menon and Dave Gerlach for helping
> >>> > > debugging the TPS65218 problem found on AM437x SK.
> >>> > > 
> >>> > > Signed-off-by: Felipe Balbi <balbi@ti.com>
> >> > 
> >> > NAK.
> >> > This is a direct violation of PHILIPS I2C-bus Specification v.2.1,
> >> > section 15.
> >> > Namely, you will have LOW period of SCL clock shorter than required
> >> > 1.3uS.
> > how is this out of spec ?
> > 
> > http://i.imgur.com/jEDlZT7.png
> > 
> > -Width = 1.4us, frequency 373.1kHz, duty cycle of 47.76%
> > 
> > In any case, I have to send v2 anyway (found a bug which would show up
> > on frequencies above 400kHz), so I'll resend this patch.
> 
> If you really target 50% duty cycle and there will be no
> rounding/truncation error, you will end up with 1.25uS at 400kHz. I
> understand why you want to make HIGH phase longer, but 50% is a bad
> target at 400hHz. Probably more safe value?

We can't generate exactly 400kHz anyway, and we're not getting exactly
50% duty cycle, it just brings it *closer* to that. I even mention the
reason for the DIV_ROUND_UP() there. Let's just go through the math
using TRM equation:

@400kHz with 12MHz internal clock:

tLow = (SCLL + 7) * iclk_period

1250 = (SCLL + 7) * 1/12MHz

SCLL = DIV_ROUND_UP(1250, 83) - 7
SCLL = (1250 + 82)/83 - 7
SCLL = 9

Now if we do the reverse to find actual tLow:

tLow = (9 + 7) * 83
tLow = 1328ns

Likewise if we do it for tHigh:

tHigh = (SCLH + 5) iclk_period

SCLH = 1250 / 83 - 5
SCLH = 10

tHigh = 15 * 83
tHigh = 1245

tHigh + tLow (SCL period) = 2573ns. That gives us SCL of 388.65kHz. An
error of mere 3% of what we really wanted to achieve. I'd say this is
pretty darn good.

Now you tell me, how is this *ever* going to be out of spec ?

DIV_ROUND_UP() and the truncation at internal clock period calculation
makes sure that tLow will be within spec. Instead of blindly NAKing the
patch, you could've gone through this exercise yourself.

-- 
balbi

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  reply	other threads:[~2015-06-17 18:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-06-16 19:20 [PATCH RESEND] i2c: omap: improve duty cycle on SCL Felipe Balbi
2015-06-16 19:26 ` Felipe Balbi
     [not found] ` <1434482445-1818-1-git-send-email-balbi-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-17  9:19   ` Alexander Sverdlin
2015-06-17 18:00     ` Felipe Balbi
     [not found]       ` <20150617180052.GF18421-HgARHv6XitJaoMGHk7MhZQC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-17 18:04         ` Felipe Balbi
2015-06-17 18:38         ` Alexander Sverdlin
2015-06-17 18:57           ` Felipe Balbi [this message]
     [not found]             ` <20150617185714.GH18421-HgARHv6XitJaoMGHk7MhZQC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-17 19:21               ` Alexander Sverdlin

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