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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Benjamin Bara <bbara93@gmail.com>
Cc: Wolfram Sang <wsa@kernel.org>, Lee Jones <lee@kernel.org>,
	rafael.j.wysocki@intel.com, dmitry.osipenko@collabora.com,
	jonathanh@nvidia.com, richard.leitner@linux.dev,
	treding@nvidia.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-i2c@vger.kernel.org, linux-tegra@vger.kernel.org,
	Benjamin Bara <benjamin.bara@skidata.com>,
	stable@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 2/4] i2c: core: run atomic i2c xfer when !preemptible
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2023 10:22:55 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230404082255.GU4253@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJpcXm5eKhQg3JDksGs5fHi-DN+VAJNnuyUKtQGiS2OzTgzyVw@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Apr 02, 2023 at 12:04:48PM +0200, Benjamin Bara wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Mar 2023 at 21:50, Wolfram Sang <wsa@kernel.org> wrote:
> > Could you make sure please?
> 
> Sure, I'll try. The check before bae1d3a was:
> in_atomic() || irqs_disabled()
> which boils down to:
> (preempt_count() != 0) || irqs_disabled()
> preemptible() is defined as:
> (preempt_count() == 0 && !irqs_disabled())
> 
> so this patch should behave the same as pre-v5.2, but with the
> additional system state check. From my point of view, the additional
> value of the in_atomic() check was that it activated atomic i2c xfers
> when preemption is disabled, like in the case of panic(). So reverting
> that commit would also re-activate atomic i2c transfers during emergency
> restarts. However, I think considering the system state makes sense
> here.
> 
> From my understanding, non-atomic i2c transfers require enabled IRQs,
> but atomic i2c transfers do not have any "requirements". So the
> irqs_disabled() check is not here to ensure that the following atomic
> i2c transfer works correctly, but to use non-atomic i2c xfer as
> long/often as possible.
> 
> Unfortunately, I am not sure yet about !CONFIG_PREEMPTION. I looked into
> some i2c-bus implementations which implement both, atomic and
> non-atomic. As far as I saw, the basic difference is that the non-atomic
> variants usually utilize the DMA and then call a variant of
> wait_for_completion(), like in i2c_imx_dma_write() [1]. However, the
> documentation of wait_for_completion [2] states that:
> "wait_for_completion() and its variants are only safe in process context
> (as they can sleep) but not (...) [if] preemption is disabled".
> Therefore, I am not quite sure yet if !CONFIG_PREEMPTION uses the
> non-atomic variant at all or if this case is handled differently.
> 
> > Asking Peter Zijlstra might be a good idea.
> > He helped me with the current implementation.
> 
> Thanks for the hint! I wrote an extra email to him and added him to CC.

So yeah, can't call schedule() if non preemptible (which is either
preempt_disable(), local_bh_disable() (true for bh handlers) or
local_irq_disable() (true for IRQ handlers) and mostly rcu_read_lock()).

You can mostly forget about CONFIG_PREEMPT=n (or more specifically
CONFIG_PREMPT_COUNT=n) things that work for PREEMPT typically also work
for !PREEMPT.

The question here seems to be if i2c_in_atomic_xfer_mode() should have
an in_atomic() / !preemptible() check, right? IIUC Wolfram doesn't like
it being used outside of extra special cicumstances?





  reply	other threads:[~2023-04-04  8:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-03-27 13:57 [PATCH v3 0/4] mfd: tps6586x: register restart handler Benjamin Bara
2023-03-27 13:57 ` [PATCH v3 1/4] kernel/reboot: emergency_restart: set correct system_state Benjamin Bara
2023-03-27 13:57 ` [PATCH v3 2/4] i2c: core: run atomic i2c xfer when !preemptible Benjamin Bara
2023-03-27 14:54   ` Wolfram Sang
2023-03-27 16:23     ` Benjamin Bara
2023-03-29 19:50       ` Wolfram Sang
2023-04-02 10:04         ` Benjamin Bara
2023-04-04  8:22           ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2023-04-04 14:06             ` Benjamin Bara
2023-03-27 13:57 ` [PATCH v3 3/4] mfd: tps6586x: use devm-based power off handler Benjamin Bara
2023-04-02 22:28   ` Dmitry Osipenko
2023-03-27 13:57 ` [PATCH v3 4/4] mfd: tps6586x: register restart handler Benjamin Bara
2023-04-02 22:30   ` Dmitry Osipenko
2023-04-03  6:50     ` Benjamin Bara
2023-04-03 15:44       ` Dmitry Osipenko

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