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From: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>
To: Ulf Hansson <ulf.hansson@linaro.org>
Cc: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	Wolfram Sang <wsa@the-dreams.de>, Len Brown <lenb@kernel.org>,
	ACPI Devel Maling List <linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux PM <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
	Kevin Hilman <khilman@kernel.org>,
	Jarkko Nikula <jarkko.nikula@linux.intel.com>,
	Andy Shevchenko <andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com>,
	Mika Westerberg <mika.westerberg@linux.intel.com>,
	Jisheng Zhang <jszhang@marvell.com>,
	John Stultz <john.stultz@linaro.org>,
	Guodong Xu <guodong.xu@linaro.org>,
	Sumit Semwal <sumit.semwal@linaro.org>,
	Haojian Zhuang <haojian.zhuang@linaro.org>,
	"linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org"
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	linux-i2c <linux-i2c@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 7/9] PM / ACPI: Enable the runtime PM centric approach for system sleep
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 16:32:16 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2162861.FQgDXG4xnB@aspire.rjw.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPDyKFpYpLqPiyfqp16JT8fA7xwhanAcfhdnYm6MgeXyq0QfNQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Thursday, June 22, 2017 11:42:11 AM Ulf Hansson wrote:
> On 21 June 2017 at 23:47, Rafael J. Wysocki <rafael@kernel.org> wrote:
> > On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 9:21 PM, Ulf Hansson <ulf.hansson@linaro.org> wrote:
> >> This change extends the interpretation of the ACPI's no_direct_complete
> >> flag to be used to enable the so called runtime PM centric approach, for
> >> devices being attached to the ACPI PM domain.
> >>
> >> The principle behind the runtime PM centric approach is to re-use the
> >> runtime PM callbacks to implement system sleep for drivers/subsystems.
> >> Moreover, using the runtime PM centric approach gives an optimized
> >> behaviour around avoiding to wake up a device from its low power state
> >> during system sleep, unless really needed.
> >>
> >> To deploy the runtime PM centric approach for a subsystem/driver, the
> >> following adaptations needs to be made.
> >>
> >> First, the runtime PM callbacks may be called when runtime PM has been
> >> disabled for the device. This serves as an indication for the callbacks to
> >> understand they are running in the system sleep sequence, instead of in the
> >> regular runtime PM path. In some cases, a callback needs to take different
> >> actions depending in what path it is being executed in, as is the case for
> >> the ACPI PM domain.
> >>
> >> In particular for the ACPI PM domain's ->runtime_suspend|resume()
> >> callbacks, when those finds runtime PM being disabled for the device, it
> >> instead executes the same operations as normally being run when
> >> ->suspend_late() and ->resume_early() callbacks are invoked during system
> >> sleep.
> >>
> >> Second, at the PM domain level, it is expected that the driver for the
> >> device makes use of pm_runtime_force_suspend|resume(), to re-use the
> >> runtime PM callbacks to put the device into low power state and to wake it
> >> up when needed during system sleep.
> >
> > What if it doesn't do that?
> >
> > Do all drivers of devices that may fall into the ACPI PM domain use
> > pm_runtime_force_suspend|resume()?
> 
> No, no - the runtime PM centric path is optional by all ACPI
> devices/drivers. The default is still for the ACPI PM domain to try
> the direct_complete path.
> 
> However if an ACPI device/driver (i2c designware in this case) likes
> to do that, they need to inform the ACPI PM domain about it. Then they
> call acpi_dev_disable_direct_complete() and makes use of
> pm_runtime_force_suspend|resume() to deal with system sleep.
> 
> Does that makes sense?

Overall, yes, it does, but then it should be made clear that when you use
"no_direct_complete" (all what you are going to call that eventually), you
also must use pm_runtime_force_suspend|resume() as your sleep callbacks.

Otherwise things may not work correctly if my understanding is correct.

Thanks,
Rafael

  reply	other threads:[~2017-06-22 14:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-06-21 19:21 [PATCH 0/9] PM / ACPI / i2c: Fix system suspend and deploy runtime PM centric path for ACPI Ulf Hansson
2017-06-21 19:21 ` [PATCH 1/9] i2c: designware: Fix system suspend Ulf Hansson
2017-06-21 23:31   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-06-22 10:49     ` Mika Westerberg
2017-06-22 11:16       ` Jarkko Nikula
2017-06-27  7:55         ` Jarkko Nikula
2017-06-28 14:01           ` Ulf Hansson
2017-06-28 14:51             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-06-28 15:06               ` Ulf Hansson
2017-06-22 14:41       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-06-22 21:37         ` Ulf Hansson
2017-06-22 22:01           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-06-26 16:49             ` Ulf Hansson
2017-06-26 19:39               ` Grygorii Strashko
2017-06-26 21:11                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-06-27  7:33                   ` Jarkko Nikula
2017-06-27 15:25                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-06-28 14:31                 ` Ulf Hansson
2017-06-28 16:52                   ` Grygorii Strashko
2017-09-08  3:23   ` [1/9] " Wangtao (Kevin, Kirin)
2017-09-08  8:29     ` Ulf Hansson
2017-09-12  9:44       ` Wangtao (Kevin, Kirin)
2017-06-21 19:21 ` [PATCH 2/9] PM / ACPI: Restore acpi_subsys_complete() Ulf Hansson
2017-06-21 19:21 ` [PATCH 3/9] PM / Sleep: Remove pm_complete_with_resume_check() Ulf Hansson
2017-06-21 19:21 ` [PATCH 4/9] PM / ACPI: Split code validating need for runtime resume in ->prepare() Ulf Hansson
2017-06-21 21:35   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-06-21 19:21 ` [PATCH 5/9] PM / ACPI: Split acpi_lpss_suspend_late|resume_early() Ulf Hansson
2017-06-21 19:21 ` [PATCH 6/9] PM / ACPI: Provide option to disable direct_complete for ACPI devices Ulf Hansson
2017-06-21 21:42   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-06-22  9:35     ` Ulf Hansson
2017-06-22 14:38       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-06-22 21:29         ` Ulf Hansson
2017-06-22 21:33           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-06-21 19:21 ` [PATCH 7/9] PM / ACPI: Enable the runtime PM centric approach for system sleep Ulf Hansson
2017-06-21 21:47   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-06-22  9:42     ` Ulf Hansson
2017-06-22 14:32       ` Rafael J. Wysocki [this message]
2017-06-22 21:14         ` Ulf Hansson
2017-06-22 21:28           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-06-21 19:21 ` [PATCH 8/9] PM / ACPI: Avoid runtime resuming device in acpi_subsys_suspend|freeze() Ulf Hansson
2017-06-21 19:21 ` [PATCH 9/9] i2c: designware: Deploy the runtime PM centric approach for system sleep Ulf Hansson
2017-06-21 22:39 ` [PATCH 0/9] PM / ACPI / i2c: Fix system suspend and deploy runtime PM centric path for ACPI John Stultz

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