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From: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>
To: Ulf Hansson <ulf.hansson@linaro.org>
Cc: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	Wolfram Sang <wsa@the-dreams.de>, Len Brown <lenb@kernel.org>,
	ACPI Devel Maling List <linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org>,
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	Jarkko Nikula <jarkko.nikula@linux.intel.com>,
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	Jisheng Zhang <jszhang@marvell.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 5/9] PM / ACPI: Provide option to disable direct_complete for ACPI devices
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2017 03:30:52 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <35832703.Y3V01Ybc1Y@aspire.rjw.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2333939.YcVPemMPxH@aspire.rjw.lan>

On Friday, August 25, 2017 3:42:35 PM CEST Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> On Thursday, August 24, 2017 11:50:40 PM CEST Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> > On Thursday, August 24, 2017 6:35:49 PM CEST Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> > > On Thursday, August 24, 2017 11:15:26 AM CEST Ulf Hansson wrote:
> > 
> > [cut]
> > 
> > > [BTW, it is not entirely clear to me why it ever is necessary to runtime resume
> > > a device with direct_complete set after __device_suspend(), because it can only
> > > have direct_complete set at that point if all of the hierarchy below it has
> > > this flag set too and so runtime PM has to be disabled for all of those
> > > devices as well.]
> > 
> > Which makes me realize that we should take a step back and look at what
> > problems there are.
> > 
> > First, there are devices (I know about two examples so far and both are PCI)
> > that may need to be runtime resumed during system suspend for reasons other
> > than the ones checked by the ACPI PM domain (or the PCI bus type).  There needs
> > to be a way to indicate that from the driver side.
> > 
> > However, it still may be valuable to check the power-related conditions for
> > leaving the device in runtime suspend over system suspend/resume in case
> > it actually doesn't need to be runtime resumed during system suspend after
> > all.  That's what the majority of my patch was about.
> > 
> > The second problem is that the ACPI PM domain (and the PCI bus type)
> > runtime resumes all devices unconditionally in its ->suspend callback,
> > even though that may not be necessary for some devices.  Therefore there
> > needs to be a way to indicate that too.  That still would be good to
> > have *regardless* of the direct_complete mechanism, because the direct_complete
> > flag may not be set very often due to dependencies and then the
> > resume-during-suspend will take place unnecessarily.
> > 
> > Accordingly, it looks like we need a "no need to resume me" flag in the first
> > place.  That would indicate to interested pieces of code that, from the
> > driver perspective, the device doesn't need to be runtime resumed before
> > invoking its system suspend callbacks.  This should be clear enough to everyone
> > IMO.
> > 
> > [Note that if that flag is set for all devices, we may drop it along with
> > direct_complete, but before that happens both are needed.]
> 
> I think we are in agreement that direct_complete will not be necessary any
> more when all drivers/bus types/PM domains and so on can do the "safe
> suspend", but we're not there yet. :-)
> 
> > To address the first issue I would add something like the flag in the patches
> > I sent (but without the ACPI PM domain part which should be covered by the
> > "no need to resume me" flag above), because that allows the device's ->suspend
> > callback to run in principle and the driver may use that callback even to
> > runtime resume the device if that's what it wants to do.  So something like
> > "run my ->suspend callback even though I might stay in runtime suspend".
> > 
> > I would probably add driver_flags to dev_pm_info for that to set at the probe
> > time (and I would make the core clear that on driver removal).
> > 
> > The complexity concern is there, but honestly I don't see a better way at
> > this point.
> 
> So below is a prototype patch.  It still is missing a documentation update, but
> other than that it should be complete unless I missed something.
> 
> The way it works is that the SAFE_SUSPEND flag is not looked at by the core
> at all.  The ACPI PM domain looks at it and the PCI bus type can be modified
> to take it into account in the future.  That is what causes the "runtime resume
> during system suspend" to be skipped.
> 
> In turn, the ALWAYS_SUSPEND flag is only looked at by the core and it causes
> the decision on whether or not to use direct_complete to be deferred to the
> __device_suspend_late() time.  If you set it for a PCI device, the effect is
> equivalent to "no direct_complete".  If you set it for a device in the ACPI
> PM domain, that depends on whether or not SAFE_SUSPEND is set.  If it isn't
> set, the effect is equivalent to "no direct_complete" too, but if it is set,
> the core may still try to use direct_complete for the device, but it will
> make the decision on it in __device_suspend_late() and then it will not invoke
> the ->suspend_late callback for the device if it is still runtime suspended.
> [Note that you cannot runtime resume and runtime suspend again a device during
> system suspend, so if it is runtime suspended in __device_suspend_late(), it
> has been runtime suspend all the way since device_prepare().]
> 
> So say you point the ->suspend_late and ->resume_early callbacks of
> the designware i2c driver to pm_runtime_force_suspend() and
> pm_runtime_force_resume(), respectively, and set both the SAFE_SUSPEND
> and ALWAYS_SUSPEND flags for the device.
> 
> If system suspend is started and the device is not runtime suspended,
> direct_complete is not set for it and everything works as usual, so say
> the device is runtime suspended in device_prepare().  Then, the ACPI PM
> domain checks the other conditions for leaving it in runtime suspend and
> returns either 0 or a positive number from acpi_subsys_prepare().
> 
> If 0 is returned, direct_complete is not set by the core and
> acpi_subsys_suspend() is called.  It checks the SAFE_SUSPEND flag and sees
> that the device need not be runtime resumed, so it invokes the driver's
> ->suspend callback (which is not present, so it doesn't do anything).
> Next, in __device_suspend_late(), acpi_subsys_suspend_late() is invoked
> and it calls pm_runtime_force_suspend(), which executes the driver's
> ->runtime_suspend() callback, and then (if successful) calls
> acpi_dev_suspend_late() to put the device into a low-power state.  The
> resume path is a reverse of the above in this case.  So far, so good.

Well, not really, because if the device remains runtime suspended,
->runtime_suspend() will not be called by pm_runtime_force_suspend() and
acpi_dev_suspend_late() should not be called then.

So more changes in the ACPI PM domain are needed after all.

Thanks,
Rafael


  reply	other threads:[~2017-08-28  1:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-08-23 14:42 [PATCH v2 0/9] PM / ACPI / i2c: Deploy runtime PM centric path for system sleep Ulf Hansson
2017-08-23 14:42 ` [PATCH v2 1/9] PM / ACPI: Restore acpi_subsys_complete() Ulf Hansson
2017-08-23 22:41   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-08-23 14:42 ` [PATCH v2 2/9] PM / Sleep: Remove pm_complete_with_resume_check() Ulf Hansson
2017-08-23 14:42 ` [PATCH v2 3/9] PM / ACPI: Split code validating need for runtime resume in ->prepare() Ulf Hansson
2017-08-23 14:42 ` [PATCH v2 4/9] PM / ACPI: Split acpi_lpss_suspend_late|resume_early() Ulf Hansson
2017-08-23 14:42 ` [PATCH v2 5/9] PM / ACPI: Provide option to disable direct_complete for ACPI devices Ulf Hansson
2017-08-23 23:39   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-08-24  0:13     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-08-24  0:20       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-08-24  1:03         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-08-24  9:15           ` Ulf Hansson
2017-08-24 16:35             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-08-24 21:50               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-08-25 13:42                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-08-28  1:30                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki [this message]
2017-08-28  8:31                     ` Ulf Hansson
2017-08-28 12:39                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-08-28 12:54                         ` Ulf Hansson
2017-08-28 13:40                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-08-28 14:24                             ` Ulf Hansson
2017-08-28 21:14                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-08-25  9:28               ` Ulf Hansson
2017-08-25 12:23                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-08-24  8:19     ` Ulf Hansson
2017-08-24 14:57       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-08-25  9:04         ` Ulf Hansson
2017-08-23 14:42 ` [PATCH v2 6/9] PM / ACPI: Enable the runtime PM centric approach for system sleep Ulf Hansson
2017-08-23 14:42 ` [PATCH v2 7/9] PM / ACPI: Avoid runtime resuming device in acpi_subsys_suspend|freeze() Ulf Hansson
2017-08-23 14:42 ` [PATCH v2 8/9] i2c: designware: Don't resume device in the ->complete() callback Ulf Hansson
2017-08-23 14:42 ` [PATCH v2 9/9] i2c: designware: Deploy the runtime PM centric approach for system sleep Ulf Hansson
2017-08-25 14:10 ` [PATCH v2 0/9] PM / ACPI / i2c: Deploy runtime PM centric path " Jarkko Nikula
2017-08-29  0:18 ` [PATCH 0/3] PM / ACPI / i2c: Runtime PM aware system sleep handling Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-08-29  0:20   ` [PATCH 1/3] PM / core: Add SAFE_SUSPEND driver flag Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-08-29 14:57     ` Ulf Hansson
2017-08-29 15:02       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-08-29  0:59   ` [PATCH 2/3] PM / ACPI: Use SAFE_SUSPEND in the generic ACPI PM domain Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-08-29  0:59   ` [PATCH 3/3] PM: i2c-designware-platdrv: System sleep handling rework Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-08-29 16:38     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-08-29 16:40       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-08-29 10:29   ` [PATCH 0/3] PM / ACPI / i2c: Runtime PM aware system sleep handling Johannes Stezenbach
2017-08-29 11:44     ` Ulf Hansson
2017-08-29 13:53       ` Johannes Stezenbach
2017-08-29 14:43       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-08-29 15:05         ` Ulf Hansson
2017-08-29 16:44           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-08-29 14:49     ` Rafael J. Wysocki

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