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From: Michael Lawnick <ml.lawnick-Mmb7MZpHnFY@public.gmane.org>
To: Wolfram Sang <w.sang-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Wolfgang Grandegger <wg-5Yr1BZd7O62+XT7JhA+gdA@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-i2c-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org, "Delvare,
	Jean " <khali-PUYAD+kWke1g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [Patch] MPC Adapter: read class attribute from device tree
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:05:11 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <49EDC487.8010201@gmx.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090421095112.GB3100-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>

Wolfram Sang said the following:
>> mailing list. Nevertheless loading modules at runtime is legal and
>> generally supported by LINUX.
> 
> Ack. And it does so...
> 
>> Defining all possible (I2C-)devices in DTS would give a mess. E.g. on
>> one board there will be ~30 temperature sensors, on the other none.
>> As every DTS entry will force a sysFs subdirectory there would be a
>> bunch of functionless directories - rather ugly.
> 
> Well, you should have a DTS for every flavour; that is what DTS are
> about. You do know that, do you?

You like it more complicated? Ok, here it is:
As Jean indicated in his reply, we will have to support hotplug. Most of
the above sensors won't exist a life time on some systems, on others all
could exist. I tried to keep out this issue to avoid a drift to the
discussion that hotplug is not _yet_ supported. I will^Wmust support
hotplug, either by using tree's code or by doing my own modifications.
> 
> Even if not, there would be a slighty messed directory on one specific
> device with how many units? Let's take the latest example of extending
> the DTS file with OS-specific information - this one is ugly, too, but
> has impact _for everyone using dts_ files. Think about the number of
> affected systems and you will hopefully understand why such patches are
> handled with extreme caution.

You talk about my reading of the class entry from DTS?
No, I don't understand how other systems are affected by this.
They don't read this entry of _my_ .dts file.
Seems there is a general misunderstanding...
> 
>> Because of the situation above I try to keep the ability of dynamic
>> instantiation. Jean hesitates, I feel because he sees I2C solely in
>> static manner.
> 
> He is taking care for every I2C communication on every Linux machine out
> there. He can't please everyone. On the other hand, you are free to
> modify the kernel as you please. It doesn't really have to be in
> mainline, does it?
If this would be a private problem, yes.
But I see this as a more general flaw:
Many adapters do initialization of .class in adapter code. A few do not.
I haven't checked, but assume the PPC ones, as they have DTS. Thats Ok,
as long DTS is really used. In at least one other adapter it is: Exactly
Wolfgang Grandegger, who is responsible for removal of the original
default initialization, showed me, that it is done in i2c-cpm!
> 
> BTW, I hope you saw that the "linux,i2c-class" property is considered
> deprecated. Thus, expect a patch from me removing it entirely as soon
> as the old binding model went away (there aren't even any users).
> 
And how do you want to implement setting the class attribute?
Allowing only clients that are mentioned in DTS? How should it work on
systems without DTS?

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-04-21 13:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-04-21  6:42 [Patch] MPC Adapter: read class attribute from device tree Michael Lawnick
     [not found] ` <49ED6AD3.2060808-Mmb7MZpHnFY@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-21  7:00   ` Wolfgang Grandegger
     [not found]     ` <49ED6F03.5050107-5Yr1BZd7O62+XT7JhA+gdA@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-21  9:26       ` Michael Lawnick
     [not found]         ` <49ED9132.9050806-Mmb7MZpHnFY@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-21  9:51           ` Wolfram Sang
     [not found]             ` <20090421095112.GB3100-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-21 13:05               ` Michael Lawnick [this message]
     [not found]                 ` <49EDC487.8010201-Mmb7MZpHnFY@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-21 13:37                   ` Wolfgang Grandegger
     [not found]                     ` <49EDCC31.2030506-5Yr1BZd7O62+XT7JhA+gdA@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-21 14:22                       ` Michael Lawnick
     [not found]                         ` <49EDD69D.1020104-Mmb7MZpHnFY@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-22  7:38                           ` Wolfgang Grandegger
2009-04-24  8:52                   ` Wolfram Sang
     [not found]                     ` <20090424085256.GA26169-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-24  9:35                       ` Jean Delvare
     [not found]                         ` <20090424113527.4fb94f38-ig7AzVSIIG7kN2dkZ6Wm7A@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-24 10:49                           ` Michael Lawnick
2009-04-24 10:53                       ` Michael Lawnick
     [not found]                         ` <49F19A11.3090700-Mmb7MZpHnFY@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-24 15:38                           ` Jon Smirl
     [not found]                             ` <9e4733910904240838k5f425d7m849cd6b7fad19f27-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-27  5:54                               ` Michael Lawnick
2009-04-27  9:07                               ` Wolfgang Grandegger
     [not found]                                 ` <49F575E2.1070005-5Yr1BZd7O62+XT7JhA+gdA@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-03 22:13                                   ` Ben Dooks
2009-04-27 10:17                               ` Jean Delvare
     [not found]                                 ` <20090427121758.7965c48a-ig7AzVSIIG7kN2dkZ6Wm7A@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-20  6:28                                   ` Jean Delvare
2009-04-21  9:59           ` Jean Delvare
     [not found]             ` <20090421115936.28656d09-ig7AzVSIIG7kN2dkZ6Wm7A@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-21 14:11               ` Michael Lawnick
     [not found]                 ` <49EDD423.3050302-Mmb7MZpHnFY@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-21 16:00                   ` Jon Smirl
     [not found]                     ` <9e4733910904210900r4c5d1a8en178ad106134b7e6d-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-21 16:33                       ` Jean Delvare
     [not found]                         ` <20090421183310.50ff7e0c-ig7AzVSIIG7kN2dkZ6Wm7A@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-21 19:18                           ` Jon Smirl
     [not found]                             ` <9e4733910904211218l8428128k1f8dd021c50c7846-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-22  5:37                               ` Michael Lawnick
2009-04-24  9:09                               ` Wolfram Sang
2009-04-22  7:40                   ` Jean Delvare
2009-04-21 10:35           ` Wolfgang Grandegger
     [not found]             ` <49EDA185.7040206-5Yr1BZd7O62+XT7JhA+gdA@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-21 11:01               ` Jean Delvare
     [not found]                 ` <20090421130134.1e82a078-ig7AzVSIIG7kN2dkZ6Wm7A@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-21 11:26                   ` Wolfgang Grandegger
2009-04-21  8:37   ` Wolfram Sang
2009-04-21  8:39   ` Jean Delvare

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