From: William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>
To: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
Cc: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>,
torvalds@osdl.org, akpm@osdl.org,
Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Robin Holt <holt@sgi.com>
Subject: Re: page fault scalability patch V11 [0/7]: overview
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 03:04:25 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20041120030425.GF2714@holomorphy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <419EAEA8.2060204@yahoo.com.au>
William Lee Irwin III wrote:
>> Furthermore, see Robin Holt's results regarding the performance of the
>> atomic operations and their relation to cacheline sharing.
On Sat, Nov 20, 2004 at 01:40:40PM +1100, Nick Piggin wrote:
> Well yeah, but a. their patch isn't in 2.6 (or 2.4), and b. anon_rss
Irrelevant. Unshare cachelines with hot mm-global ones, and the
"problem" goes away.
This stuff is going on and on about some purist "no atomic operations
anywhere" weirdness even though killing the last atomic operation
creates problems and doesn't improve performance.
On Sat, Nov 20, 2004 at 01:40:40PM +1100, Nick Piggin wrote:
> means another atomic op. While this doesn't immediately make it a
> showstopper, it is gradually slowing down the single threaded page
> fault path too, which is bad.
William Lee Irwin III wrote:
>> And frankly, the argument that the space overhead of per-cpu counters
>> is problematic is not compelling. Even at 1024 cpus it's smaller than
>> an ia64 pagetable page, of which there are numerous instances attached
>> to each mm.
On Sat, Nov 20, 2004 at 01:40:40PM +1100, Nick Piggin wrote:
> 1024 CPUs * 64 byte cachelines = 64K, no? Well I'm sure they probably
> don't even care about 64K on their large machines, but...
> On i386 this would be maybe 32 * 128 byte = 4K per task for distro
> kernels. Not so good.
Why the Hell would you bother giving each cpu a separate cacheline?
The odds of bouncing significantly merely amongst the counters are not
particularly high.
-- wli
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2004-11-18 19:34 ` another approach to rss : sloppy rss Christoph Lameter
2004-11-19 1:40 ` fast path for anonymous memory allocation Christoph Lameter
2004-11-19 2:19 ` Nick Piggin
2004-11-19 2:38 ` Christoph Lameter
2004-11-19 2:44 ` Nick Piggin
2004-11-19 3:28 ` Christoph Lameter
2004-11-19 7:07 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-11-19 19:42 ` page fault scalability patch V11 [0/7]: overview Christoph Lameter
2004-11-19 19:43 ` page fault scalability patch V11 [1/7]: sloppy rss Christoph Lameter
2004-11-19 20:50 ` Hugh Dickins
2004-11-20 1:29 ` Christoph Lameter
2004-11-22 15:00 ` Hugh Dickins
2004-11-22 21:50 ` deferred rss update instead of " Christoph Lameter
2004-11-22 22:11 ` Andrew Morton
2004-11-22 22:13 ` Christoph Lameter
2004-11-22 22:17 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-11-22 22:45 ` Andrew Morton
2004-11-22 22:48 ` Christoph Lameter
2004-11-22 23:09 ` Nick Piggin
2004-11-22 23:13 ` Christoph Lameter
2004-11-22 23:16 ` Andrew Morton
2004-11-22 23:19 ` Christoph Lameter
2004-11-22 22:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-22 22:27 ` Christoph Lameter
2004-11-22 22:40 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-12-01 23:41 ` page fault scalability patch V12 [0/7]: Overview and performance Christoph Lameter
2004-12-01 23:42 ` page fault scalability patch V12 [1/7]: Reduce use of thepage_table_lock Christoph Lameter
2004-12-01 23:42 ` page fault scalability patch V12 [2/7]: atomic pte operations for Christoph Lameter
2004-12-01 23:43 ` page fault scalability patch V12 [3/7]: universal cmpxchg for i386 Christoph Lameter
2004-12-01 23:43 ` page fault scalability patch V12 [4/7]: atomic pte operations for Christoph Lameter
2004-12-01 23:44 ` page fault scalability patch V12 [5/7]: " Christoph Lameter
2004-12-01 23:45 ` page fault scalability patch V12 [6/7]: " Christoph Lameter
2004-12-01 23:45 ` page fault scalability patch V12 [7/7]: Split counter for rss Christoph Lameter
2005-01-04 19:35 ` page fault scalability patch V14 [0/7]: Overview Christoph Lameter
2005-01-04 19:35 ` page fault scalability patch V14 [1/7]: Avoid taking page_table_lock Christoph Lameter
2005-01-04 19:36 ` page fault scalability patch V14 [2/7]: ia64 atomic pte operations Christoph Lameter
2005-01-04 19:37 ` page fault scalability patch V14 [3/7]: i386 universal cmpxchg Christoph Lameter
2005-01-05 11:51 ` Roman Zippel
2005-01-04 19:37 ` page fault scalability patch V14 [4/7]: i386 atomic pte operations Christoph Lameter
2005-01-04 19:38 ` page fault scalability patch V14 [5/7]: x86_64 " Christoph Lameter
2005-01-04 19:46 ` page fault scalability patch V14 [5/7]: x86_64 atomic pte Andi Kleen
2005-01-04 19:58 ` Christoph Lameter
2005-01-04 20:21 ` page fault scalability patch V14 [5/7]: x86_64 atomic pte operations Andi Kleen
2005-01-04 20:32 ` page fault scalability patch V14 [5/7]: x86_64 atomic pte Christoph Lameter
2005-01-11 17:39 ` page table lock patch V15 [0/7]: overview Christoph Lameter
2005-01-11 17:40 ` page table lock patch V15 [1/7]: Reduce use of page table lock Christoph Lameter
2005-01-11 17:41 ` page table lock patch V15 [2/7]: ia64 atomic pte operations Christoph Lameter
2005-01-11 17:41 ` page table lock patch V15 [3/7]: i386 universal cmpxchg Christoph Lameter
2005-01-11 17:42 ` page table lock patch V15 [4/7]: i386 atomic pte operations Christoph Lameter
2005-01-11 17:43 ` page table lock patch V15 [5/7]: x86_64 " Christoph Lameter
2005-01-11 17:43 ` page table lock patch V15 [6/7]: s390 " Christoph Lameter
2005-01-11 17:44 ` page table lock patch V15 [7/7]: Split RSS counter Christoph Lameter
2005-01-12 5:59 ` page table lock patch V15 [0/7]: overview Nick Piggin
2005-01-12 9:42 ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-12 12:29 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2005-01-12 16:39 ` Christoph Lameter
2005-01-12 16:49 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-12 17:37 ` Christoph Lameter
2005-01-12 17:41 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-12 17:52 ` Christoph Lameter
2005-01-12 18:04 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-12 18:43 ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-12 19:06 ` Christoph Lameter
2005-01-14 3:39 ` Roman Zippel
2005-01-14 4:14 ` Andi Kleen
2005-01-14 12:02 ` Roman Zippel
2005-01-12 23:16 ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-12 23:30 ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-12 23:50 ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-12 23:54 ` Christoph Lameter
2005-01-13 0:10 ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-13 0:16 ` Christoph Lameter
2005-01-13 0:42 ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-13 22:19 ` Peter Chubb
2005-01-13 3:18 ` Andi Kleen
2005-01-13 17:11 ` Christoph Lameter
2005-01-13 17:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-13 18:02 ` Andi Kleen
2005-01-13 18:16 ` Christoph Lameter
2005-01-13 20:17 ` Andi Kleen
2005-01-14 1:09 ` Christoph Lameter
2005-01-14 4:39 ` Andi Kleen
2005-01-14 4:52 ` page table lock patch V15 [0/7]: overview II Andi Kleen
2005-01-14 4:59 ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-14 10:47 ` Andi Kleen
2005-01-14 10:57 ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-14 11:11 ` Andi Kleen
2005-01-14 16:57 ` Christoph Lameter
2005-01-14 4:54 ` page table lock patch V15 [0/7]: overview Nick Piggin
2005-01-14 10:46 ` Andi Kleen
2005-01-14 16:52 ` Christoph Lameter
2005-01-14 17:01 ` Andi Kleen
2005-01-14 17:08 ` Christoph Lameter
2005-01-14 17:11 ` Andi Kleen
2005-01-14 17:43 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-21 18:22 ` [PATCH] Soft introduction of atomic pte operations to avoid the Christoph Lameter
2005-01-28 20:35 ` page fault scalability patch V16 [0/4]: redesign overview Christoph Lameter
2005-01-28 20:36 ` page fault scalability patch V16 [1/4]: avoid intermittent clearing Christoph Lameter
2005-01-28 20:36 ` page fault scalability patch V16 [2/4]: mm counter macros Christoph Lameter
2005-01-28 20:37 ` page fault scalability patch V16 [3/4]: Drop page_table_lock in Christoph Lameter
2005-02-01 4:08 ` page fault scalability patch V16 [3/4]: Drop page_table_lock Nick Piggin
2005-02-01 18:47 ` page fault scalability patch V16 [3/4]: Drop page_table_lock in Christoph Lameter
2005-02-01 19:01 ` Christoph Lameter
2005-02-02 0:31 ` page fault scalability patch V16 [3/4]: Drop page_table_lock Nick Piggin
2005-02-02 1:20 ` page fault scalability patch V16 [3/4]: Drop page_table_lock in Christoph Lameter
2005-02-02 1:41 ` page fault scalability patch V16 [3/4]: Drop page_table_lock Nick Piggin
2005-02-02 2:49 ` page fault scalability patch V16 [3/4]: Drop page_table_lock in Christoph Lameter
2005-02-02 3:09 ` page fault scalability patch V16 [3/4]: Drop page_table_lock Nick Piggin
2005-02-04 6:27 ` Nick Piggin
2005-02-17 0:57 ` page fault scalability patchsets update: prezeroing, prefaulting Christoph Lameter
2005-02-24 6:04 ` A Proposal for an MMU abstraction layer Christoph Lameter
2005-02-01 4:16 ` page fault scalability patch V16 [3/4]: Drop page_table_lock Nick Piggin
2005-02-01 8:20 ` Kernel 2.4.21 hangs up baswaraj kasture
2005-02-01 9:03 ` Christian Hildner
2005-02-07 6:14 ` Kernel 2.4.21 gives kernel panic at boot time baswaraj kasture
2005-02-07 8:16 ` Christian Hildner
2005-02-08 5:12 ` baswaraj kasture
2005-02-08 7:51 ` Christian Hildner
2005-02-01 17:46 ` Kernel 2.4.21 hangs up David Mosberger
2005-02-01 17:54 ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2005-02-01 18:08 ` David Mosberger
2005-02-01 18:44 ` page fault scalability patch V16 [3/4]: Drop page_table_lock in Christoph Lameter
2005-01-28 20:38 ` page fault scalability patch V16 [4/4]: " Christoph Lameter
2005-01-12 12:43 ` page table lock patch V15 [0/7]: overview Hugh Dickins
2005-01-12 21:22 ` Hugh Dickins
2005-01-12 23:52 ` Christoph Lameter
2005-01-13 2:52 ` Hugh Dickins
2005-01-13 17:05 ` Christoph Lameter
2005-01-13 3:09 ` Hugh Dickins
2005-01-13 3:46 ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-13 17:14 ` Christoph Lameter
2005-01-04 21:21 ` page fault scalability patch V14 [5/7]: x86_64 atomic pte operations Brian Gerst
2005-01-04 21:26 ` page fault scalability patch V14 [5/7]: x86_64 atomic pte Christoph Lameter
2005-01-04 19:38 ` page fault scalability patch V14 [6/7]: s390 atomic pte operationsw Christoph Lameter
2005-01-04 19:39 ` page fault scalability patch V14 [7/7]: Split RSS counters Christoph Lameter
2004-12-02 0:10 ` page fault scalability patch V12 [0/7]: Overview and performance Linus Torvalds
2004-12-02 0:55 ` page fault scalability patch V12 [0/7]: Overview and Andrew Morton
2004-12-02 1:46 ` page fault scalability patch V12 [0/7]: Overview and performance Christoph Lameter
2004-12-02 6:21 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-12-02 6:34 ` page fault scalability patch V12 [0/7]: Overview and Andrew Morton
2004-12-02 6:48 ` page fault scalability patch V12 [0/7]: Overview and performance Jeff Garzik
2004-12-02 7:02 ` page fault scalability patch V12 [0/7]: Overview and Andrew Morton
2004-12-02 7:26 ` page fault scalability patch V12 [0/7]: Overview and performance tests Martin J. Bligh
2004-12-02 7:31 ` page fault scalability patch V12 [0/7]: Overview and performance Jeff Garzik
2004-12-02 18:10 ` page fault scalability patch V12 [0/7]: Overview and cliff white
2004-12-02 20:25 ` page fault scalability patch V12 [0/7]: Overview and performance linux-os
2004-12-08 17:24 ` Anticipatory prefaulting in the page fault handler V1 Christoph Lameter
2004-12-08 17:33 ` Jesse Barnes
2004-12-08 17:56 ` Christoph Lameter
2004-12-08 18:33 ` Jesse Barnes
2004-12-08 21:26 ` David S. Miller
2004-12-08 21:42 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-12-08 17:44 ` Luck, Tony
2004-12-08 17:57 ` Christoph Lameter
2004-12-08 17:55 ` Dave Hansen
2004-12-08 18:31 ` Luck, Tony
2004-12-08 19:07 ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-12-08 22:50 ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-12-09 19:32 ` Christoph Lameter
2004-12-13 14:30 ` Akinobu Mita
2004-12-13 17:10 ` Christoph Lameter
2004-12-13 22:16 ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-12-14 1:32 ` Anticipatory prefaulting in the page fault handler V2 Christoph Lameter
2004-12-14 19:31 ` Adam Litke
2004-12-15 19:03 ` Anticipatory prefaulting in the page fault handler V3 Christoph Lameter
2005-01-05 0:29 ` Anticipatory prefaulting in the page fault handler V4 Christoph Lameter
2004-12-14 12:24 ` Anticipatory prefaulting in the page fault handler V1 Akinobu Mita
2004-12-14 15:25 ` Akinobu Mita
2004-12-14 20:25 ` Christoph Lameter
2004-12-09 10:57 ` Pavel Machek
2004-12-09 11:32 ` Nick Piggin
2004-12-09 17:05 ` Christoph Lameter
2004-12-14 15:28 ` Adam Litke
2004-12-02 18:43 ` page fault scalability patch V12 [0/7]: Overview and cliff white
2004-12-06 19:33 ` page fault scalability patch V12 [0/7]: Overview and performance tests Marcelo Tosatti
2004-12-02 17:34 ` page fault scalability patch V12 [0/7]: Overview and cliff white
2004-12-02 18:27 ` page fault scalability patch V12 [0/7]: Overview and performance tests Grant Grundler
2004-12-02 18:33 ` page fault scalability patch V12 [0/7]: Overview and Andrew Morton
2004-12-02 18:36 ` page fault scalability patch V12 [0/7]: Overview and performance tests Christoph Hellwig
2004-12-07 10:51 ` Pavel Machek
2004-12-02 16:24 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2004-12-02 18:17 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2004-12-03 14:49 ` page fault scalability patch V12 [0/7]: Overview and Sebastien Decugis
2004-12-09 8:00 ` page fault scalability patch V12 [0/7]: Overview and performance Nick Piggin
2004-12-09 17:03 ` Christoph Lameter
2004-12-10 4:30 ` Nick Piggin
2004-12-09 18:37 ` Hugh Dickins
2004-12-09 22:02 ` page fault scalability patch V12: rss tasklist vs sloppy rss Christoph Lameter
2004-12-09 22:52 ` Andrew Morton
2004-12-09 22:52 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-12-09 23:07 ` Christoph Lameter
2004-12-09 23:29 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-12-09 23:49 ` Christoph Lameter
2004-12-10 4:26 ` page fault scalability patch V12 [0/7]: Overview and performance Nick Piggin
2004-12-10 4:54 ` Nick Piggin
2004-12-10 5:06 ` page fault scalability patch V12 [0/7]: Overview and Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-12-10 5:19 ` page fault scalability patch V12 [0/7]: Overview and performance Nick Piggin
2004-12-10 18:43 ` Christoph Lameter
2004-12-12 7:54 ` Nick Piggin
2004-12-10 20:03 ` pfault V12 : correction to tasklist rss Christoph Lameter
2004-12-10 21:24 ` Hugh Dickins
2004-12-10 21:38 ` Andrew Morton
2004-12-11 6:03 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-12-10 12:30 ` page fault scalability patch V12 [0/7]: Overview and performance Hugh Dickins
2004-12-10 21:43 ` Hugh Dickins
2004-12-10 22:12 ` page fault scalability patch V12 [0/7]: Overview and Andrew Morton
2004-12-10 23:52 ` page fault scalability patch V12 [0/7]: Overview and performance Hugh Dickins
2004-12-11 0:18 ` page fault scalability patch V12 [0/7]: Overview and Andrew Morton
2004-12-11 0:44 ` page fault scalability patch V12 [0/7]: Overview and performance Hugh Dickins
2004-12-11 0:57 ` page fault scalability patch V12 [0/7]: Overview and Andrew Morton
2004-12-11 9:23 ` page fault scalability patch V12 [0/7]: Overview and performance Hugh Dickins
2004-12-12 9:33 ` Hugh Dickins
2004-12-12 9:48 ` Nick Piggin
2004-12-12 21:24 ` page fault scalability patch V12 [0/7]: Overview and performance tests William Lee Irwin III
2004-12-17 3:31 ` page fault scalability patch V12 [0/7]: Overview and performance Christoph Lameter
2004-12-17 3:32 ` page fault scalability patch V13 [0/8]: Overview Christoph Lameter
2004-12-17 3:33 ` page fault scalability patch V13 [1/8]: Reduce the use of the Christoph Lameter
2004-12-17 3:33 ` page fault scalability patch V13 [2/8]: ia64 atomic pte operations Christoph Lameter
2004-12-17 3:34 ` page fault scalability patch V13 [3/8]: universal cmpxchg for i386 Christoph Lameter
2004-12-17 3:35 ` page fault scalability patch V13 [4/8]: atomic pte operations for Christoph Lameter
2004-12-17 3:36 ` page fault scalability patch V13 [5/8]: " Christoph Lameter
2004-12-17 3:38 ` page fault scalability patch V13 [7/8]: Split RSS Christoph Lameter
2004-12-17 3:39 ` page fault scalability patch V13 [8/8]: Prefaulting using ptep_cmpxchg Christoph Lameter
2004-12-17 5:55 ` page fault scalability patch V13 [0/8]: Overview Christoph Lameter
2004-11-22 22:32 ` deferred rss update instead of sloppy rss Nick Piggin
2004-11-22 22:39 ` Christoph Lameter
2004-11-22 23:14 ` Nick Piggin
2004-11-19 19:44 ` page fault scalability patch V11 [2/7]: page fault handler optimizations Christoph Lameter
2004-11-19 19:44 ` page fault scalability patch V11 [3/7]: ia64 atomic pte operations Christoph Lameter
2004-11-19 19:45 ` page fault scalability patch V11 [4/7]: universal cmpxchg for i386 Christoph Lameter
2004-11-19 19:46 ` page fault scalability patch V11 [5/7]: i386 atomic pte operations Christoph Lameter
2004-11-19 19:46 ` page fault scalability patch V11 [6/7]: x86_64 " Christoph Lameter
2004-11-19 19:47 ` page fault scalability patch V11 [7/7]: s390 " Christoph Lameter
2004-11-19 19:59 ` page fault scalability patch V11 [0/7]: overview Linus Torvalds
2004-11-20 1:07 ` Nick Piggin
2004-11-20 1:29 ` Christoph Lameter
2004-11-20 1:45 ` Nick Piggin
2004-11-20 1:58 ` Linus Torvalds
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2004-11-20 2:46 ` Nick Piggin
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2004-11-20 3:55 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-11-20 4:03 ` Nick Piggin
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2004-11-20 4:23 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-11-20 4:29 ` Nick Piggin
2004-11-20 5:38 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-11-20 5:50 ` Nick Piggin
2004-11-20 6:23 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-11-20 6:49 ` Nick Piggin
2004-11-20 6:57 ` Andrew Morton
2004-11-20 7:04 ` Andrew Morton
2004-11-20 7:13 ` Nick Piggin
2004-11-20 8:00 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-11-20 16:59 ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-11-20 17:14 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-20 19:08 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-11-20 19:16 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-20 19:33 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-11-22 17:44 ` Christoph Lameter
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2004-11-20 7:29 ` Nick Piggin
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2004-11-20 7:57 ` page fault scalability patch V11 [0/7]: overview Nick Piggin
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