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From: Davide Libenzi <davidel@xmailserver.org>
To: linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org
Subject: RE: [Linux-ia64] Re: web page on O(1) scheduler
Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 05:38:44 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <marc-linux-ia64-105590723706027@msgid-missing> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <marc-linux-ia64-105590723705966@msgid-missing>

On Fri, 23 May 2003, Boehm, Hans wrote:

> Thanks for the pointer.  In the statically linked case, I get 200/568/345
> for custom/pthread_mutex/pthread_spin.
>
> I agree that this is not a fair comparison.  That was my point.  An implementation
> with custom yield/sleep
> code can do things that you can't do with blocking pthreads primitives at the
> same performance.  (Of course pthreads_mutex_lock will win in other cases.)
>
> Please forget about the abort() in the contention case.  I put that there for
> brevity since it is not exercised by the test.  The intent was to time the
> noncontention performance of a custom lock that first spins, then yields,
> and then sleeps, as was stated in the comment.
>
> You are forgetting two issues in your analysis of what pthreads is/should be doing
> relative to the spin-lock-like code:
>
> 1) The unlock code is different.  If you potentially do a waitforunlocks()
> in the locking code, you need to at least check whether the corresponding
> notification is necessary when you unlock().  For NPTL that requires another
> atomic operation, and hence another dozen to a couple of hundred cycles,
> depending on the processor.  You need to look at both the lock and unlock
> code.

That code was completely independent by what pthread might do. I didn't
look at the code but I think the new pthread uses futexes for mutexes.
The code wanted only to show that a mutex lock does more than a spinlock.
And this "more" is amplified by your tight loop.



> 2) (I hadn't mentioned this before.) The (standard interpretation of)
> the memory barrier semantics of the pthreads primitives is too strong.
> Arguably they need to be full memory barriers in both directions.
> The pthread_spin_lock code inserts an extra full
> memory barrier on IA64 as a result, instead of just
> using the acquire barrier associated with the cmpxchg.acq instruction.
> (I think the spin unlock code doesn't do this.  One could argue that that's a bug,
> though I would argue that the bug is really  in the pthreads spec.)

You need a write memory barrier even on the unlock. Consider this :

	spinlock = 1;
	...
	protected_resource = NEWVAL;
	spinlock = 0;

( where spinlock = 0/1 strip down, but do not lose the concept, the lock
operation ). If a CPU reorder those writes, another CPU might see the lock
drop before the protected resource assignment. And this is usually bad
for obvious reasons.



- Davide



  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-05-24  5:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-05-21  9:01 [Linux-ia64] Re: web page on O(1) scheduler Arjan van de Ven
2003-05-21  9:26 ` Mike Galbraith
2003-05-21  9:30 ` Mike Galbraith
2003-05-21 10:40 ` Duraid Madina
2003-05-21 10:43 ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-05-21 15:18 ` David Mosberger
2003-05-21 17:56 ` David Mosberger
2003-05-21 20:46 ` Mike Galbraith
2003-05-22  0:38 ` Rik van Riel
2003-05-22  5:52 ` Mike Galbraith
2003-05-22  9:52 ` Mike Galbraith
2003-05-22 16:25 ` Mike Galbraith
2003-05-22 17:58 ` David Mosberger
2003-05-23  1:07 ` Hans Boehm
2003-05-23  8:30 ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-05-23 17:48 ` Boehm, Hans
2003-05-23 18:04 ` Davide Libenzi
2003-05-24  0:10 ` Boehm, Hans
2003-05-24  0:20 ` Davide Libenzi
2003-05-24  0:53 ` Boehm, Hans
2003-05-24  5:38 ` Davide Libenzi [this message]
2003-05-24 14:43 ` Davide Libenzi
2003-05-24 16:50 ` Hans Boehm
2003-05-24 21:41 ` Davide Libenzi
2003-05-25  9:17 ` Mike Galbraith

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