From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Peter Zijlstra Subject: Re: Loud "pop" coming from hard drive on reboot Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 01:20:06 +0200 Message-ID: <1177197606.7316.44.camel@twins> References: <88SeR-5Sf-15@gated-at.bofh.it> <46265307.7060405@rtr.ca> <46265966.1040102@redhat.com> <200704182322.20514.bzolnier@gmail.com> <46268D27.9070809@redhat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: In-Reply-To: <46268D27.9070809@redhat.com> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org To: Chuck Ebbert Cc: Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz , Mark Lord , Stephen.Clark@seclark.us, Tejun Heo , Alan Cox , 7eggert@gmx.de, emisca , Jan Engelhardt , linux-kernel , linux-ide@vger.kernel.org, Adrian Bunk , Andrew Morton List-Id: linux-ide@vger.kernel.org On Wed, 2007-04-18 at 17:27 -0400, Chuck Ebbert wrote: > Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz wrote: > > On Wednesday 18 April 2007, Chuck Ebbert wrote: > >> Mark Lord wrote: > >>> Mark Lord wrote: > >>>> With the patch applied, I don't see *any* new activity in those > >>>> S.M.A.R.T. > >>>> attributes over multiple hibernates (Linux "suspend-to-disk"). > >>> Scratch that -- operator failure. ;) > >>> The patch makes no difference over hibernates in the SMART logs. > >>> > >>> It's still logging extra Power-Off_Retract_Count pegs, > >>> which it DID NOT USED TO DO not so long ago. > >>> > >> Just to add to the fun, my problems are happening with the "old" > >> IDE drivers... > > > > The issue you are experiencing results in the same problem (disk doing > > power off retract) but it has a totally different root cause - your notebook > > loses power on reboot. It is actually a hardware problem and as you have > > reported the same problem is present when using "the other" OS. > > > > My "power off retract count" increases whether I do a halt/poweroff or > a reboot. The only difference is the volume of the noise. > > And I just noticed my "seek error rate" is increasing. > > /me plans purchase of another drive, definitely not Seagate... > > > I think that the issue needs to be fixed (by detecting affected notebook(s) > > using DMI?) in Linux PM handling and not in IDE subsystem because: > > > > * there may be some other hardware devices affected by the power loss > > (== they require shutdown sequence) > > > > * the same problem will bite if somebody decides to use libata (FC7?) > > Yeah, this needs fixing too. I've been playing with another notebook and > the power does stay on during reboot, so I wonder how widespread the problem is? /me too Thinkpad T23, with a ST980815A Ticks ever few seconds, but seems to mostly go away with hdparm -B255 /dev/sda1 but I have an increasing seek error rate as well. I got the ST disk because thinkwiki suggested it. I suspect this problem killed the previous disk in this laptop.