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From: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
To: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
Cc: Matthew Wilcox <matthew@wil.cx>, Tejun Heo <teheo@suse.de>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>, Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
	IDE/ATA development list <linux-ide@vger.kernel.org>,
	Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>, Dongjun Shin <djshin90@gmail.com>,
	chris.mason@oracle.com
Subject: Re: about TRIM/DISCARD support and barriers
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 07:52:56 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1227480776.25499.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1227447584.4901.405.camel@macbook.infradead.org>

On Sun, 2008-11-23 at 13:39 +0000, David Woodhouse wrote:
> > We don't attempt to put non-contiguous ranges into a single TRIM yet.
> 
> We don't even merge contiguous ranges -- I still need to fix the
> elevators to stop writes crossing writes,

I don't think we want to do that ... it's legal if the write isn't a
barrier and it will inhibit merging.  That may be just fine for a SSD,
but it's not for spinning media since they get better performance out of
merged writes.

>  before we can stop discards
> from also being barriers. (Discards are just writes, for the purpose of
> that conversation).

Perhaps they shouldn't be ... they have different characteristics.  For
instance, a discard may cross a read or write that has no sectors in
common with it; a discard may be merged as a non contiguous range
(assuming the drive supports multiple ranges), etc.

I think it might be better to give it its own type for the elevators.

James



  reply	other threads:[~2008-11-23 22:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-11-23  4:46 about TRIM/DISCARD support and barriers Tejun Heo
2008-11-23  7:11 ` Tejun Heo
2008-11-23  7:57   ` Tejun Heo
2008-11-24  5:40     ` Dongjun Shin
2008-11-24  5:45       ` Tejun Heo
2008-11-24  5:57       ` James Bottomley
2008-11-23 12:35   ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-11-23 13:39     ` David Woodhouse
2008-11-23 22:52       ` James Bottomley [this message]
2008-11-24  9:03         ` David Woodhouse
2008-11-24 18:42           ` James Bottomley
2008-11-24 18:52             ` David Woodhouse
2008-11-24 18:57               ` Jens Axboe
2008-11-24 19:08                 ` James Bottomley
2008-11-25  9:16                   ` Jens Axboe
2008-11-24 19:09               ` James Bottomley
2008-11-25  3:28           ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-11-25  9:15             ` Jens Axboe
2008-11-24  3:01       ` Theodore Tso
2008-11-28 13:21 ` Raz Ben-Yehuda
2008-11-29 22:57   ` Tejun Heo

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