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From: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: Hannes Reinecke <hare@suse.de>,
	linux-ide@vger.kernel.org, linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/6] libata: Do not retry commands with valid autosense
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2015 09:44:06 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1438620246.2173.20.camel@HansenPartnership.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150803155513.GI32599@mtj.duckdns.org>

On Mon, 2015-08-03 at 11:55 -0400, Tejun Heo wrote:
> Hello, James.
> 
> On Mon, Aug 03, 2015 at 08:42:43AM -0700, James Bottomley wrote:
> > I'd think it would be the same reason as all modern transports: it's
> > faster and allows processing of sense data in-band.  Under the old
> > regime, the device is effectively frozen until you collect the data.
> > Under autosense, the data is collected as part of the in-band command
> > processing, so it doesn't stall the device.
> > 
> > Modern drives (and protocols) are moving towards being somewhat more
> > chatty with sense data.  It doesn't just signal an error, mostly it's
> > just reporting about drive characteristics or other advisory stuff.
> > This means that if you handle it the old way, you'll get more drive
> > stalls and a corresponding reduction in throughput.
> 
> The problem is not the "auto" part but the "sense" part, I guess.  ATA
> devices (the harddisks) never reported sense data and instead had a
> more rudimentary error bits and for newer devices NCQ log pages, so
> libata EH decodes those error information and takes appropriate
> actions for the indicated error condition.
> 
> Hannes's patchset makes ATA devices mostly bypass libata EH when sense
> data is present.  For, say, unrecoverable read errors, it'd be
> possible to make this scheme work (broken currently tho); however,
> libata and SCSI aren't that closely tied and there currently is no way
> for SCSI to tell libata that, e.g., link error was detected on the
> device side, so libata will fail to take link recovery actions on
> those cases.
> 
> This *can* be made to work in a couple different ways but what's
> implemented now is pretty broken and making it work properly in any
> other way than integrating sense decoding into libata EH would require
> major restructuring of the whole thing which I'm not sure would be
> worthwhile at this point.

I'm not arguing that *this* patch is the best way to do it.  You asked
*why* autosense and that's what I answered.  I think there's time to
work out the implementation details to get them to be correct and well
structured.

James



  reply	other threads:[~2015-08-03 16:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-07-31 13:02 [PATCH 0/6] ZAC host-aware device support Hannes Reinecke
2015-07-31 13:02 ` [PATCH 1/6] libata: Do not retry commands with valid autosense Hannes Reinecke
2015-08-02 15:44   ` Tejun Heo
2015-08-03  7:31     ` Hannes Reinecke
2015-08-03 15:04       ` Tejun Heo
2015-08-03 15:16         ` [PATCH libata/for-4.2-fixes] libata: disable NCQ autosense Tejun Heo
2015-08-03 15:39           ` Tejun Heo
2015-08-03 15:18         ` [PATCH 1/6] libata: Do not retry commands with valid autosense Tejun Heo
2015-08-03 15:42           ` James Bottomley
2015-08-03 15:55             ` Tejun Heo
2015-08-03 16:44               ` James Bottomley [this message]
2015-08-03 16:50                 ` Tejun Heo
2015-08-03 16:47               ` Hannes Reinecke
2015-08-03 17:01                 ` Tejun Heo
2015-08-03 18:21                   ` Hannes Reinecke
2015-07-31 13:02 ` [PATCH 2/6] libata-scsi: use ata_scsi_set_sense when generating ATA sense Hannes Reinecke
2015-07-31 13:02 ` [PATCH 3/6] libata: implement ZBC IN translation Hannes Reinecke
2015-07-31 13:02 ` [PATCH 4/6] libata: Implement ZBC OUT translation Hannes Reinecke
2015-07-31 13:02 ` [PATCH 5/6] libata: support device-managed ZAC devices Hannes Reinecke
2015-07-31 13:02 ` [PATCH 6/6] libata: support host-aware " Hannes Reinecke
2015-08-02 15:47 ` [PATCH 0/6] ZAC host-aware device support Tejun Heo
2015-08-02 16:11 ` James Bottomley
2015-08-03  7:24   ` Hannes Reinecke
2015-08-03 15:31     ` James Bottomley

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