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From: Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>
To: "Eric D. Mudama" <edmudama@gmail.com>
Cc: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>,
	Mark Hahn <hahn@physics.mcmaster.ca>,
	linux-ide@vger.kernel.org, Jens Axboe <axboe@suse.de>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Subject: Re: ahci problems with sata disk.
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 09:03:17 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070117220317.GG3508@kernel.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <311601c90701161426r48998c55me0da3a2daa9ce0f1@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jan 16 2007, Eric D. Mudama wrote:

[snip lots of stuff I agree completely with]

> If done properly, queueing should never hurt performance.  High queue
> depths will increase average latency of course, but shouldn't hurt
> overall performance.

It may never hurt performance, but there are common scenarios where you
are much better off not doing queuing even if you could. A good example
of that is a media serving service, where you end up reading a bunch of
files sequentially. It's faster to read chunks of each file sequentially
at depth 1 and move on, than queue a a request from each of them and
send them to the drive. On my laptop with an NCQ enabled drive, the
mentioned approach outperforms queuing by more than 100%.

> >NCQ mainly helps with multiple threads doing reads.  Writes are
> >largely asynchronous to the user already (except for fsync-style
> >writes).  You want to be able to stuff the disk's internal elevator
> >with as many read requests as possible, because reads are very often
> >synchronous -- most apps (1) read a block, (2) do something, (3) goto
> >step #1.  The kernel's elevator isn't much use in these cases.
> 
> True.  And internal to the drive, normal elevator is "meh."  There are
> other algorithms for scheduling that perform better.

Well Linux doesn't default to using a normal elevator, so it's a moot
point.

-- 
Jens Axboe


  reply	other threads:[~2007-01-17 22:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-01-14 14:32 ahci problems with sata disk kenneth johansson
2007-01-15  9:13 ` Tejun Heo
2007-01-15 11:05   ` kenneth johansson
2007-01-15 11:36     ` Alan
2007-01-15 13:50     ` Tejun Heo
2007-01-16  1:43       ` kenneth johansson
2007-01-16 16:44     ` Andrew Lyon
2007-01-16 18:32       ` Mark Lord
2007-01-16 20:20         ` Mark Hahn
2007-01-16 22:10           ` Jeff Garzik
2007-01-16 22:26             ` Eric D. Mudama
2007-01-17 22:03               ` Jens Axboe [this message]
2007-01-17 22:03             ` Jens Axboe

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