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From: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
To: Elias Oltmanns <eo@nebensachen.de>
Cc: linux-ide@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC] Disk shock protection (revisited)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 12:39:46 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080226123946.75dbe3d2@core> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87skzgd1zk.fsf@denkblock.local>

> The general idea: A daemon running in user space monitors input data
> from an accelerometer. When the daemon detects a critical condition,

That sounds like a non starter. What if the box is busy, what if the
daemon or something you touch needs memory and causes paging ?

Given the accelerometer data should be very simple doesn't it actually
make sense in this specific case to put the logic (not thresholds) in
kernel space.

> state. To this end, the kernel has to issue an idle immediate command
> with unload feature and stop the block layer queue afterwards. Once the

Yep. Pity the worst case completion time for an IDE I/O is 60 seconds or
so.

> 1. Who is to be in charge for the shock protection application? Should
>    userspace speak to libata / ide directly (through sysfs) and the low

I think it has to be kernel side for speed, and because you will need to
issue idle immediate while a command sequence is active which is
*extremely* hairy as you have to recover from the mess and restart the
relevant I/O. Plus you may need controller specific knowledge on issuing
it (and changes to libata).

> 2. Depending on the answer to the previous question, by what mechanism
>    should block layer and lld interact? Special requests, queue hooks or
>    something in some way similar to power management functions (once
>    suggested by James Bottomley)?

Idle immediate seem to simply fit the queue model, it happens in
*parallel* to I/O events and is special in all sorts of ways.

> 3. What is the preferred way to pass device specific configuration
>    options to libata (preferrably at runtime, i.e., after module
>    loading)?

sysfs

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-02-26 12:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-02-25 23:56 [RFC] Disk shock protection (revisited) Elias Oltmanns
2008-02-26  0:02 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-02-26  0:30   ` Elias Oltmanns
2008-02-26  1:33     ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2008-02-26 12:39 ` Alan Cox [this message]
2008-02-28  8:24   ` Elias Oltmanns
2008-02-28 11:13     ` Alan Cox
2008-02-24 18:03       ` Pavel Machek
2008-02-28 17:00       ` Greg Freemyer
2008-03-07 18:03       ` Elias Oltmanns
2008-03-07 18:25         ` [PATCH 1/4] disk-protect: Add disk shock protection helpers to libata Elias Oltmanns
2008-03-15 12:39           ` Pavel Machek
2008-03-20 14:13           ` Alan Cox
2008-03-07 18:25         ` [PATCH 2/4] disk-protect: SCSI support for REQ_TYPE_LINUX_BLOCK requests Elias Oltmanns
2008-03-07 18:26         ` [PATCH 3/4] disk-protect: Add a REQ_TYPE_LINUX_BLOCK request handler to libata Elias Oltmanns
2008-03-15 12:42           ` Pavel Machek
2008-03-07 18:26         ` [PATCH 4/4] disk-protect: Add a generic block layer queue freezing facility Elias Oltmanns
2008-03-15 12:49           ` Pavel Machek
2008-03-16 16:16             ` Elias Oltmanns
2008-03-17 23:00               ` Elias Oltmanns
2008-03-07 22:43         ` [RFC] Disk shock protection (revisited) Alan Cox
2008-03-13 14:51         ` Elias Oltmanns
2008-03-15 14:30           ` Alan Cox
2008-02-26 20:47 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-02-28 10:10   ` Elias Oltmanns

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