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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@suse.cz>
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: Shem Multinymous <multinymous@gmail.com>,
	Elias Oltmanns <eo@nebensachen.de>,
	Thomas Renninger <trenn@suse.de>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	IDE/ATA development list <linux-ide@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Laptop shock detection and harddisk protection
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 21:48:38 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080817194838.GC4043@ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <48C948A6.3080404@kernel.org>

Hi!

> >> 2. If we're gonna unify interface, how much can we unify the backend?
> >>   Some devices are based on polling, others interrupt.  For polling,
> >>   is it better to delegate the whole polling to userland or is it
> >>   better to do some of it in kernel (tp_smapi seems to be doing
> >>   this)?
> > 
> > The ThinkPad accelerometer needs to be polled at very regular
> > intervals (max jitter on the order of 10ms), which sounds like a job
> > for the kernel.
> 
> Yes, I agree.
> 
> > This is because in ThinkPads we actually have a 4-level pile:
> > [hdapsd userspace] -> [hdaps kernel] -> [embedded controller] ->
> > [accelerometer A2D]
> > What the kernel polls is actually is the H8S embedded controller (EC)
> > chip, which in turn does its own polling of the accelerometer A2D.
> > Now, the EC has a tiny buffer and strange buffering semantics, and it
> > has its own internal clock, so the software->EC polling should be very
> > regular to minmize EC buffer overflows/underruns.
> 
> So, I think the whole polling should be implemented inside the kernel
> and the kernel should notify userland when new data is available,
> which is about what the current joystick implementation does and can
> be achieved using sysfs_notify_event().

I like joystick/input interface slightly better. In some cases,
machines with accelerometers (openmoko) use them for input primarily.

HP interface will be more specialized (but less useful); still  userland daemon can handle the differences...

							Pavel
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  reply	other threads:[~2008-09-17 14:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-09-10 16:59 Laptop shock detection and harddisk protection Tejun Heo
2008-09-10 19:43 ` Renato S. Yamane
2008-09-11 10:26 ` Austin Zhang
2008-09-11 11:18   ` Tejun Heo
2008-09-11 16:08 ` Shem Multinymous
2008-09-11 16:34   ` Tejun Heo
2008-08-17 19:48     ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2008-09-11 20:00     ` Elias Oltmanns
2008-08-17 19:51       ` Pavel Machek
2008-09-17 15:21         ` Elias Oltmanns
2008-09-17 19:36           ` Shem Multinymous
2008-09-11 20:25     ` Shem Multinymous
2008-08-17 19:30       ` Pavel Machek
2008-09-11 23:35       ` Tejun Heo
2008-09-12 16:59         ` Greg KH
2008-08-17 19:45           ` Pavel Machek
2008-09-17 18:04             ` Greg KH
2008-09-18 11:18               ` Pavel Machek
2008-09-19  9:03                 ` Thomas Renninger
2008-09-24  5:14                   ` Greg KH
2008-10-07 20:40                     ` Pavel Machek
2008-10-07 21:19                       ` Greg KH
2008-10-07 21:40                         ` Pavel Machek
2008-10-07 22:03                           ` Greg KH
2008-10-07 23:03                             ` Pavel Machek
2008-10-07 22:55                         ` Shem Multinymous
2008-09-15  8:29           ` Tejun Heo
2008-09-15 18:09             ` Shem Multinymous
2008-09-15 20:10               ` Tejun Heo
2008-09-14  4:41       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-09-11 23:36     ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
     [not found] <baBmH-48R-17@gated-at.bofh.it>
2008-09-12 13:28 ` Bodo Eggert

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