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From: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
To: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
Cc: Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-ide@vger.kernel.org, torvalds@osdl.org
Subject: Re: libata: set queue SSD flag for SSD devices
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 09:49:30 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081011094930.3cf55ea5@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1223743124.4159.27.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 18:38:44 +0200
James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 2008-10-11 at 09:04 -0700, Arjan van de Ven wrote:
> > On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 17:44:13 +0200
> > James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > > So we need something a bit more involved, but not too complex. A
> > > > fine line...
> > > 
> > > It's a policy ... just let userspace do it so the user can tune
> > > it. That's what EMC does now (except I think they key of inquiry
> > > strings rather than cache size).
> > 
> > 
> > while the chosen elevator obviously is policy, the kernel really
> > should pick a sensible default based on what it knows.
> > Lets put it this way: if userland needs to do a tuning to the kernel
> > based on data only provided by the kernel, and will always do it the
> > same way, we should have made that choice the default policy in the
> > kernel in the first place.
> 
> Well, this is a bit of a nasty layering problem.  We certainly don't
> want the Block layer to know how to poke at SATA, SCSI and other
> esoteric media to see what elevator should be the default, so we'd
> have to craft a new block API that the lower subsystems would
> implement for this.  I'm really not sure it's worth the trouble when
> the boot system can do it simply from userspace, but I'll defer to
> Jens.
> 

these devices already give the elevator layer information about the
device, like optimal/max io size etc.
having the elevator take a "don't bother optimizing for seeks" flag
is very much along the same lines, it's a device property that the
elevator needs to learn about in order to send the right kinds of IO
down.


-- 
Arjan van de Ven 	Intel Open Source Technology Centre
For development, discussion and tips for power savings, 
visit http://www.lesswatts.org

  reply	other threads:[~2008-10-11 16:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <200810101904.m9AJ42Gq018897@hera.kernel.org>
2008-10-10 19:25 ` libata: set queue SSD flag for SSD devices Alan Cox
2008-10-10 20:05   ` Jens Axboe
2008-10-11  0:55     ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-10-11  6:36       ` Jens Axboe
2008-10-11  7:33       ` James Bottomley
2008-10-11 14:06         ` Jens Axboe
2008-10-11 15:44           ` James Bottomley
2008-10-11 16:04             ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-10-11 16:38               ` James Bottomley
2008-10-11 16:49                 ` Arjan van de Ven [this message]
2008-10-11 17:48                   ` Jens Axboe

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