From: Matthew Wilcox <matthew@wil.cx>
To: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
Cc: linux-ide@vger.kernel.org, linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org,
Tejun Heo <htejun@gmail.com>
Subject: libata / scsi separation
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:21:13 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081209222113.GU25548@parisc-linux.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1228662298.3501.19.camel@localhost.localdomain>
On Sun, Dec 07, 2008 at 09:04:58AM -0600, James Bottomley wrote:
> Originally I'd been promised that libata would be out of SCSI within a
> year (that was when it went in). The slight problem is that having all
> the features it needed, SCSI became a very comfortable host. Getting
> libata out of SCSI was also made difficult by the fact that few people
> cared enough to help. The only significant external problem is the size
> of the stack and the slight performance penalty for SATA disks going
> over SAT. Unfortunately for the latter, slight turns out to be pretty
> unmeasurable, so the only hope became people who cared about
> footprint ... and there don't seem to be any of those.
The performance penalty is certainly measurable. It's about 1 microsecond
per request extra to go from userspace -> scsi -> libata -> driver
than it is to go from userspace -> scsi -> driver. If you issue 400
commands per second (as you might do with a 15k RPM SCSI drive), that's
400 microseconds. If you issue 10,000 commands per second (as you might
do with an SSD), that's 10ms of additional CPU time spent in the kernel
per second (or 1%).
So it's insignificant overhead ... unless you have an SSD. I have asked
Tejun if there's anything he wants help with to move the libata-scsi
separation along, but he's not come up with anything yet. Right now,
I'm investigating a technique that may significantly increase the number
of requests we can do per second without rewriting the whole thing.
(OK, I haven't measured the overhead of the *SCSI* layer, I've measured
the overhead of the *libata* layer. I think the point here is that you
can't measure the difference at a macro level unless you're sending a
lot of commands.)
--
Matthew Wilcox Intel Open Source Technology Centre
"Bill, look, we understand that you're interested in selling us this
operating system, but compare it to ours. We can't possibly take such
a retrograde step."
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-12-09 22:21 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-12-03 1:38 [PATCH] remove ide-scsi FUJITA Tomonori
2008-12-03 10:06 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-12-03 13:31 ` Willem Riede
2008-12-03 13:55 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-12-03 14:02 ` Alan Cox
2008-12-03 15:09 ` James Bottomley
2008-12-06 6:12 ` Pete Zaitcev
2008-12-06 14:06 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2008-12-06 14:51 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2008-12-06 15:06 ` Alan Cox
2008-12-06 16:29 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2008-12-06 15:25 ` Willem Riede
2008-12-06 15:59 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2008-12-06 17:00 ` Dan Noé
2008-12-06 21:41 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2008-12-06 22:24 ` Alan Cox
2008-12-06 22:52 ` Sergei Shtylyov
2008-12-06 23:02 ` Alan Cox
2008-12-06 23:19 ` Sergei Shtylyov
2008-12-06 23:32 ` Alan Cox
2008-12-07 0:08 ` Sergei Shtylyov
2008-12-07 11:40 ` Alan Cox
2008-12-07 14:46 ` Sergei Shtylyov
2008-12-07 15:04 ` James Bottomley
2008-12-07 15:21 ` Sergei Shtylyov
2008-12-09 22:21 ` Matthew Wilcox [this message]
2008-12-09 22:38 ` libata / scsi separation James Bottomley
2008-12-10 3:37 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-12-10 1:54 ` Tejun Heo
2008-12-10 2:29 ` Grant Grundler
2008-12-10 2:47 ` Tejun Heo
2008-12-10 3:23 ` Grant Grundler
2008-12-10 3:44 ` Tejun Heo
2008-12-10 15:24 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-12-10 15:33 ` Tejun Heo
2008-12-10 16:01 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-12-10 17:11 ` Grant Grundler
2008-12-10 17:21 ` Grant Grundler
2008-12-07 0:19 ` [PATCH] remove ide-scsi Sergei Shtylyov
2008-12-07 9:59 ` Sergei Shtylyov
2008-12-07 10:41 ` Sergei Shtylyov
2008-12-09 21:41 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-12-10 17:46 ` Sergei Shtylyov
2008-12-06 23:28 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-12-06 23:42 ` Sergei Shtylyov
2008-12-06 23:48 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-12-07 3:36 ` Yinghai Lu
2008-12-07 4:17 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-12-07 5:07 ` Yinghai Lu
2008-12-07 11:00 ` Sergei Shtylyov
2008-12-09 19:59 ` Mark Lord
2008-12-09 20:07 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-12-09 21:04 ` James Bottomley
2008-12-06 23:45 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2008-12-06 23:50 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-12-06 23:40 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2008-12-06 23:51 ` Alan Cox
2008-12-07 0:56 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2008-12-07 1:14 ` Alan Cox
2008-12-07 10:32 ` Sergei Shtylyov
2008-12-06 23:51 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-12-06 22:33 ` Al Viro
2008-12-06 23:13 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2008-12-06 23:17 ` Willem Riede
2008-12-07 0:09 ` Al Viro
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