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From: Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz <bzolnier@gmail.com>
To: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>
Cc: linux-ide@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/68] ide2libata
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 23:24:55 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201001292324.55222.bzolnier@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4B6355DF.9050001@garzik.org>

On Friday 29 January 2010 10:40:47 pm Jeff Garzik wrote:
> On 01/29/2010 11:03 AM, Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Here is a patchset (on top of atang-v3.1 tree) applying "out-of-the-box"
> > thinking to duplicated libata PATA and IDE subsystem host driver sets.
> > Namely, it modifies IDE API slightly to match libata's one more, adds
> > a tiny source-code level translation layer (ide2libata.h header file
> > which consists of only 17 lines of code) and then converts host drivers
> > to use shared source code for low-level operations (all drivers have
> > been carefully audited during porting to minimize the probability of
> > adding regressions accidentally).  As an end result it is much easier
> > to maintain both driver sets (differences between 'new'/'old' drivers
> > are now apparent and there is no longer a need to manually back-port
> > many classes of bugfixes) and over 2500 LOC are gone.
> 
> Interesting.
> 
> I'm fine with applying patches 2-5, but I am definitely interested to 
> hear what others think about this.  Clearly, LOC is reduced, but that's 
> not the only factor in code maintenance.
> 
> With regards to libata and old-IDE, I have always thought the ideal 
> scenario was to leave old-IDE in bugfix-only mode, with next-to-no API 
> or driver churn besides that which is absolutely required for the fix.
> 
> En masse backporting bug fixes is what's known as a one-time cost.  Once 
> the majority of libata PATA drivers reach bugfix and feature parity, the 
> need for code sharing is reduced greatly.
> 
> The ide2libata proposal creates on-going costs, not just a one-time 
> cost, because the old-IDE drivers will have -increased- potential for 
> problems when a libata PATA driver is modified.  Such is the -cost- of 
> heavily intertwined code sharing.  A single header change implies that 
> two, not one, drivers might break.  That weakens the "leave it alone" 
> stability promise of old-IDE.

I understand your concerns (especially given that libata PATA drivers
are unmaintained) but this patchset is for atang tree which is what I use
personally and I have no problem with maintaining it as long as I find it
useful (porting few hundreds patches once in few months against upstream
is much cheaper in terms of time/sanity than obligatory discussions on
whether to document known end-user visible limitations in driver's Kconfig
help text or in driver's source code how etc.).

Starting with 2.6.33 kernel.org users will be covered with a dedicated
patch and if distribution users want some changes that are in atang they
should ping their distribution about it, not me (if some distribution
would like to pay for the work on integrating some changes and/or getting
other ATA changes integrated please contact me in private).

IOW I'm just doing what I find useful/interesting for me and I don't care
much personally if it ever reaches upstream.  I post patches mainly for
an extra review and to prevent duplication of efforts.  If people find them
useful, great.  If not, well, not a big deal (having 2000 commits upstream
changes a perspective a bit)..

> Waiting for other comments...  this patchset is not an onerous burden to 
> libata, but I think it creates nasty cross-tree issues, potentially 
> perturbing old-IDE.

I'm rather time constrained these days so I think that I'll skip such type
of discussion entirely (though technical comments like bugs in patches etc.
are warmly welcomed and appreciated)..

--
Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz

  reply	other threads:[~2010-01-29 22:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-01-29 16:03 [PATCH 00/68] ide2libata Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 16:03 ` [PATCH 01/68] piix: add new short cable IDs Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 16:03 ` [PATCH 02/68] libata: CodingStyle fixes for ATA timings code Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 16:03 ` [PATCH 03/68] libata: move ATA timings code to ata-timings.c Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 16:03 ` [PATCH 04/68] ata: make ATA timings code independent of libata Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 16:03 ` [PATCH 05/68] ata: enable XFER_PIO_SLOW mode in ata_timing table Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 16:03 ` [PATCH 06/68] ide: switch to generic ATA timings code Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 16:03 ` [PATCH 07/68] pata_pcmcia: move IDs table to pata_pcmcia.h Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 16:04 ` [PATCH 08/68] ide-cs: use pata_pcmcia.h Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 16:04 ` [PATCH 09/68] ata_piix: factor out short cable detection code to ich_short_ata40() Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 16:04 ` [PATCH 10/68] ata_piix: move short cable handling to ata_piix.h Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 16:04 ` [PATCH 11/68] piix: use ata_piix.h Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 16:04 ` [PATCH 12/68] pata_ali: move short cable handling to pata_ali.h Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 16:04 ` [PATCH 13/68] alim15x3: use pata_ali.h Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 16:04 ` [PATCH 14/68] pata_sis: move short cable handling to pata_sis.h Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 16:04 ` [PATCH 15/68] sis5513: use pata_sis.h Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 16:04 ` [PATCH 16/68] pata_via: move short cable handling to pata_via.h Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 16:04 ` [PATCH 17/68] via82cxxx: use pata_via.h Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 16:05 ` [PATCH 18/68] ide: split host->dev table Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 16:05 ` [PATCH 19/68] ide: add hwif->port_no field Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 16:05 ` [PATCH 20/68] ide: add hwif->udma_mask field Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 16:05 ` [PATCH 21/68] ide: add hwif->private_data field Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 16:05 ` [PATCH 22/68] ide: add drive->devno field Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 16:05 ` [PATCH 23/68] ide: add drive->class field Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 16:05 ` [PATCH 24/68] ide: change ->cable_detect method return type to 'int' Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 16:05 ` [PATCH 25/68] it8213: always program control bits Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 17:36   ` Sergei Shtylyov
2010-01-29 16:05 ` [PATCH 26/68] piix: " Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 16:06 ` [PATCH 27/68] slc90e66: " Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 16:06 ` [PATCH 28/68] add ide2libata header file Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 16:06 ` [PATCH 29/68] ata_piix: move code to be re-used by ide2libata to ata_piix.h Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 16:06 ` [PATCH 30/68] piix: convert to ide2libata Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 16:06 ` [PATCH 31/68] pata_ali: move code to be re-used by ide2libata to pata_ali.h Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 16:06 ` [PATCH 32/68] alim15x3: convert to ide2libata Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 16:06 ` [PATCH 33/68] pata_amd: move code to be re-used by ide2libata to pata_amd.h Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 16:06 ` [PATCH 34/68] amd74xx: convert to ide2libata Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 16:06 ` [PATCH 35/68] pata_artop: move code to be re-used by ide2libata to pata_artop.h Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 16:06 ` [PATCH 36/68] aec62xx: convert to ide2libata Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 16:07 ` [PATCH 37/68] pata_atiixp: move code to be re-used by ide2libata to pata_atiixp.h Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 16:07 ` [PATCH 38/68] atiixp: convert to ide2libata Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 16:07 ` [PATCH 39/68] pata_cmd64x: documentation fix Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 16:07 ` [PATCH 40/68] pata_cmd64x: move code to be re-used by ide2libata to pata_cmd64x.h Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 16:07 ` [PATCH 41/68] pata_cmd64x: convert to ide2libata Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 16:07 ` [PATCH 42/68] pata_cs5520: move code to be re-used by ide2libata to pata_cs5520.h Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 16:07 ` [PATCH 43/68] cs5520: convert to ide2libata Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 16:07 ` [PATCH 44/68] pata_cs5530: move code to be re-used by ide2libata to pata_cs5530.h Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 16:07 ` [PATCH 45/68] cs5530: convert to ide2libata Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 16:08 ` [PATCH 46/68] pata_cs5535: move code to be re-used by ide2libata to pata_cs5535.h Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 16:08 ` [PATCH 47/68] cs5535: convert to ide2libata Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 16:08 ` [PATCH 48/68] pata_cypress: move code to be re-used by ide2libata to pata_cypress.h Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 16:08 ` [PATCH 49/68] cy82c693: convert to ide2libata Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 16:08 ` [PATCH 50/68] pata_efar: move code to be re-used by ide2libata to pata_efar.h Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 16:08 ` [PATCH 51/68] slc90e66: convert to ide2libata Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 16:08 ` [PATCH 52/68] pata_it8213: move code to be re-used by ide2libata to pata_it8213.h Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 16:08 ` [PATCH 53/68] it8213: convert to ide2libata Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 16:08 ` [PATCH 54/68] pata_it821x: move code to be re-used by ide2libata to pata_it821x.h Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 16:09 ` [PATCH 55/68] it821x: convert to ide2libata Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 16:09 ` [PATCH 56/68] pata_pdc202xx_old: move code to be re-used by ide2libata to pata_pdc202xx_old.h Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 16:09 ` [PATCH 57/68] pdc202xx_old: convert to ide2libata Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 16:09 ` [PATCH 58/68] pata_sc1200: move code to be re-used by ide2libata to pata_sc1200.h Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 16:09 ` [PATCH 59/68] sc1200: convert to ide2libata Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 16:09 ` [PATCH 60/68] pata_serverworks: move cable handling to pata_serverworks.h Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 16:09 ` [PATCH 61/68] serverworks: convert to ide2libata Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 16:09 ` [PATCH 62/68] pata_sl82c105: move code to be re-used by ide2libata to pata_sl82c105.h Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 16:09 ` [PATCH 63/68] sl82c105: convert to ide2libata Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 16:10 ` [PATCH 64/68] pata_triflex: move code to be re-used by ide2libata to pata_triflex.h Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 16:10 ` [PATCH 65/68] triflex: convert to ide2libata Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 16:10 ` [PATCH 66/68] pata_via: factor out code for finding ISA bridge Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 16:10 ` [PATCH 67/68] pata_via: move code to be re-used by ide2libata to pata_via.h Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 16:10 ` [PATCH 68/68] via82cxxx: convert to ide2libata Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-01-29 21:40 ` [PATCH 00/68] ide2libata Jeff Garzik
2010-01-29 22:24   ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz [this message]
2010-01-29 23:25   ` Alan Cox
2010-01-30 15:24     ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-02-01  7:47     ` David Miller
2010-02-01  9:31       ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2010-02-01 11:07       ` Alan Cox
2010-02-01 11:17         ` David Miller
2010-02-01 11:48           ` Alan Cox
2010-02-01 12:48             ` David Miller
2010-02-01 12:58               ` Alan Cox
2010-02-01 13:14                 ` David Miller
2010-02-02 23:10                   ` Jeff Garzik
2010-02-02 23:19                     ` David Miller
2010-02-02 23:27                       ` Alan Cox
2010-02-02 23:29                         ` David Miller

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