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From: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>
To: Pat LaVarre <p.lavarre@ieee.org>
Cc: linux-ide@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] libata DMADIR support
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 17:32:25 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <40A92F69.6030309@pobox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1084828840.3211.26.camel@patibmrh9>

Pat LaVarre wrote:
> My memory of my share of the SATA ATAPI UDMA flurry tells me that my Si
> 3611CT80 r1.4 bridge hangs with status = xD0 if we ask it to copy DMA
> Data In, without having prepared op xA0 "PACKET" features = x05 DMA In
> rather than x01 DMA Out.
> 
> Are you not convinced?

I am convinced that your hardware requires DMADIR.

I am not convinced that there is no way to detect this condition at 
runtime, based on some hardware characteristic, or output.



> I agree, by connecting my compliant only-DMADIR-capable bridge to a
> compliant PATA DMA device I have ended up violating ATA/PI 6 by claiming
> classic UDMA in op xA1 "IDENTIFY" "word" 88 (line 12 offset 0), when in
> fact the abomination I built only actually supports the DMADIR that
> ATA/PI 7 claims will be described in "word" 62 (line 7 offset 6).

Well, the expected behavior is proper implementation of word 62, bit 15 
at the very least :)

If hardware requires the DMADIR bit, it should set the feature bit that 
says "I require DMADIR".  If not, one could justifyably claim the 
hardware is not operating to spec.


> I imagine I was not the first and I will not be the last to fall into
> this spiked pit.  Particularly vulnerable will be the people who resell
> compliant PATA ATAPI UDMA devices and then fall into erroneously
> believing that adding a compliant SATA/PATA bridge makes a compliant
> SATA ATAPI UDMA device.

<shrug>  Honestly, I think the requirement of a data-direction bit was 
inevitable.  I'm surprised you don't have one for ATA devices. 
Consider:  what data direction will a vendor-reserved SCSI opcode 
require?  The OS driver cannot know.

If you accept that premise, then these changes to ATA were required...

	Jeff




  reply	other threads:[~2004-05-17 21:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-05-16 14:19 [PATCH] libata DMADIR support Pat LaVarre
2004-05-16 23:16 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-05-17 18:48   ` Pat LaVarre
2004-05-17 19:08     ` Jeff Garzik
2004-05-17 21:06       ` Pat LaVarre
2004-05-17 21:40         ` Jeff Garzik
2004-05-17 21:20       ` Pat LaVarre
2004-05-17 21:32         ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2004-05-17 21:34           ` Jeff Garzik
2004-05-17 22:05           ` Pat LaVarre
2004-05-17 22:36             ` Jeff Garzik
2004-05-17 23:04               ` Pat LaVarre
2004-05-18 22:40               ` Pat LaVarre
2004-05-18 23:07                 ` Pat LaVarre
2004-05-18 23:50                   ` Jeff Garzik
2004-05-19 22:47                     ` Pat LaVarre
2004-05-18 23:48                 ` [PATCH] atapi request sense work Jeff Garzik
2004-05-19 20:35                   ` Pat LaVarre
2004-05-19 22:19                     ` Jeff Garzik
2004-05-19 22:24                   ` Pat LaVarre
2004-05-19 22:27                     ` Pat LaVarre
2004-05-19 22:54                   ` Pat LaVarre
2004-05-21  1:58                     ` Pat LaVarre
     [not found]                       ` <6 E36A 11B-AACB-11D8-8B8A-003065635034@ieee.org>
2004-05-21  2:06                       ` Pat LaVarre
2004-05-21  3:05                         ` Pat LaVarre
2004-05-21  4:04                           ` Jeff Garzik
     [not found]                             ` <1 085153750.6103.33.camel@patibmrh9>
2004-05-21 15:35                             ` Pat LaVarre
2004-05-21 15:46                               ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-05-21 17:59                                 ` Pat LaVarre
2004-05-21 20:07                                   ` Pat LaVarre
2004-05-21 21:51                                     ` Jeff Garzik
2004-05-21 23:12                                       ` Pat LaVarre
2004-05-21 23:24                                       ` Pat LaVarre
2004-05-21 23:55                                         ` Jeff Garzik
2004-05-21 23:57                                           ` Pat LaVarre
2004-05-21 23:39                                       ` Pat LaVarre
2004-05-21 23:45                                         ` Jeff Garzik
2004-05-22  0:06                                           ` Pat LaVarre
2004-05-22  0:12                                             ` Pat LaVarre
2004-05-22  0:33                                           ` Pat LaVarre
2004-05-22  1:11                                             ` Pat LaVarre
2004-05-26 21:49                                               ` Pat LaVarre
2004-05-27 23:12                                                 ` Pat LaVarre
2004-05-27 23:32                                                   ` Jeff Garzik
2004-05-27 23:38                                                     ` Pat LaVarre
2004-05-27 23:41                                                       ` Jeff Garzik
2004-05-28  0:13                                                     ` Pat LaVarre
2004-05-28  1:28                                                   ` Pat LaVarre
2004-05-24 15:27                                             ` Pat LaVarre
2004-05-21 21:59                                   ` Pat LaVarre
2004-05-21 18:23                                 ` Danny Cox
2004-05-21 18:39                                   ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-05-21 18:55                                     ` [PATCH] kmalloc old_hwif Danny Cox
2004-05-21 19:00                                     ` [PATCH] atapi request sense work Danny Cox
2004-05-21 19:08                                       ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-05-15 21:46 [PATCH] libata DMADIR support Jeff Garzik

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