From: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>
To: Mark Lord <lkml@rtr.ca>
Cc: Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"linux-ide@vger.kernel.org" <linux-ide@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: new tool: blktool
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:53:39 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4120E693.8070700@pobox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <41201DCA.2090204@rtr.ca>
Mark Lord wrote:
> > http://www.t10.org/ftp/t10/document.04/04-262r1.pdf
>
> Ahh.. my buddie Curtis has been busy of late, I see.
>
> I'll implement this in hdparm and the SATA/RAID driver
> that I'm working on. Will you (Jeff) do the same in libata?
I plan on providing _some_ way of executing arbitrary taskfiles,
possibly more than one way. I haven't decided upon the best route.
Since T10 took my command protocol suggestions into account in the above
proposal, implementing that would be an efficient route to the
arbitrary-taskfiles feature.
> But HDIO_DRIVE_CMD is rather easy to implement as well,
> and perhaps both should be there for an overlap.
>
> Especially since the former is in rather widespread use right now.
> Yup, it's missing a separate data-phase parameter,
> and lots of taskfile stuff, but it's configured by default
> into every kernel (the same is not true for taskfile support),
> and there's really only a few limited cases of it being used
> for non-data commands: IDENTIFY, SMART, and the odd READ/WRITE
> SECTOR (pio, single sector).
If HDIO_DRIVE_CMD was easy to do, I would have already done it. I agree
with you that supporting it has benefits, but you are ignoring the
obstacles:
* without taskfile protocol, it is _impossible_ to execute some vendor
reserved commands
* without taskfile protocol, and without a lookup table, it is
impossible to distinguish between [non-data | data-in | data-out] on
some controllers. Current IDE driver does "execute and pray we can
guess from controller behavior" which definitely won't work in a lot of
situations.
Modern SATA controllers need to set up the DMA engine beforehand -- for
the entire transfer -- including for PIO data xfer commands.
HDIO_DRIVE_CMD tells me nothing about data direction or taskfile
protocol. It forces you to guess :(
libata is designed to be flexible enough to execute the full breadth of
the ATA command set on whatever host controller you pick -- PCI PATA,
paride, SATA, ATA-over-ethernet, or whatever zany technology you choose.
But all that flexibility demands a bit more from the software side of
things, command protocol in this case. That's why I the T10 04-262r1
proposal spec.
Jeff
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-08-16 16:53 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-08-15 21:36 new tool: blktool Jeff Garzik
2004-08-15 20:55 ` Alan Cox
2004-08-15 22:07 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-08-15 22:18 ` David Ford
2004-08-15 22:22 ` Anton Starikov
2004-08-15 22:40 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-08-15 23:00 ` Anton Starikov
2004-08-15 23:27 ` Mark Lord
2004-08-15 23:34 ` Mark Lord
2004-08-15 23:44 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-08-15 23:36 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-08-16 2:36 ` Mark Lord
2004-08-16 16:53 ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2004-08-19 15:03 ` Mark Lord
2004-08-19 15:51 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-08-19 17:44 ` Mark Lord
2004-08-19 17:50 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-08-19 17:57 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-08-19 18:01 ` Mark Lord
2004-08-19 18:04 ` Mark Lord
2004-08-19 18:12 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-08-19 18:42 ` Mark Lord
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