From: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>
To: Andy Warner <andyw@pobox.com>
Cc: linville@redhat.com, linux-ide@vger.kernel.org
Subject: libata and queueing (was Re: [t13] RE: comment on T10 ATA-passthru)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 19:43:22 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4197FBAA.5030703@pobox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20041101201240.A16317@florence.linkmargin.com>
Andy Warner wrote:
> Jeff Garzik wrote:
>
>>[I ask about NCQ ...]
>>Most of the code is already written to assume that queueing is
>>active. Turning on NCQ in libata is trivial. Handling errors and
>>synchronization is less trivial :)
>
>
> I guess I'm a little gun shy here :) Remember, my induction to
> hotplug consisted of:
>
> "That's because libata doesn't call the proper hot-unplug hooks.
> Call those hooks, and the problem goes away."
>
> I really don't want to hugely underestimate the effort involved.
>
> Things that I can't quite see being in there right now
> are the low-level state machine support for queued events,
> and data structures and functions required to queue the pending
> requests.
>
> The boundary conditions you allude to seem likely to be
> a pandora's box. Not the least of which will be ensuring
> that queued and non-queued commands never mingle. It is
> my understanding that any non-queued command will abort
> *all* pending queued commands with unpredictable results
> for data in flight.
Everything is a pandora's box :) Nobody said storage was easy :)
My advice for any efforts, whether it's NCQ or hotplug or whatever, is:
post early, post often. Design in public first, get the design nailed
down, _then_ settle in for some testing.
One of the key problems is that a lot of the future directions and
current methodology isn't written down, so you need to pelt me (CC'ing
linux-ide, to share the knowledge) with email asking questions.
[side note: anyone is welcome to patch Documentation/DocBook/libata.tmpl
with new knowledge]
Now, back to queueing specifically...
libata currently relies on the SCSI layer to handle queueing (or lack
thereof), and to handle arbitration between master/slave in PATA
configurations.
There is minimal infrastructure in libata for queueing: 32 commands
(ata_queued_cmd) per ata_device, but that's mainly for storage of
per-command metadata.
To implement queueing in libata, you'll use the current libata
per-command infrastructure, and the SCSI mid-layer's queueing
infrastructure in concert. The SCSI mid-layer API is used to control
the queue depth. For exceptional cases such as error handling and
non-queue-able commands, you'll return host-busy to the SCSI mid-layer
from the libata ->queuecommand hook.
Error handling consists of knowing which commands to retry, which to
fail, and which to partially complete.
prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-11-15 0:43 UTC|newest]
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[not found] ` <20041029142539.A29944@florence.linkmargin.com>
2004-10-29 19:43 ` [t13] RE: comment on T10 ATA-passthru Jeff Garzik
2004-10-29 20:39 ` Andy Warner
2004-10-29 20:50 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-10-29 21:16 ` Andy Warner
2004-11-02 2:12 ` Andy Warner
2004-11-15 0:43 ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
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