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From: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>
To: Hannes Reinecke <hare@suse.de>
Cc: Jens Axboe <axboe@suse.de>,
	James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@SteelEye.com>,
	SCSI Mailing List <linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-ide@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] libata: device suspend/resume
Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 03:16:58 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4292D4EA.8090308@pobox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4292D275.8070409@suse.de>

Hannes Reinecke wrote:
> Jeff Garzik wrote:
> [ .. ]
> 
>>Longer term, SATA PM through SCSI will have three facets:
>>
>>* Device PM.  This is best handled by the device class driver (sd/sr/st).
>>
>>* Bus PM.  This is best handled by the transport class driver (need to
>>write for SATA and SAS).
>>
>>* Host PM.  This is handled in the obvious manner, using existing PM
>>driver hooks.  PCI D0/D3, etc.
>>
>>I can describe how this will look when libata is divorced from SCSI, if
>>you would like, too...
> 
> 
> Divorced from SCSI? Care to elaborate?


General Linux thesis:  translation and emulation are lame.  Adds 
needless overhead.  One should write a "bare metal" driver.

libata should be able to export a native block driver for ATA devices, 
making libata-scsi.c simply an optional "T10 SAT implementation" that 
users can retain for compatibility and certain features, or excise for 
lower overhead.

As ATAPI is converging with SCSI MMC -- the two committes are actively 
aligning the standards -- I would prefer to handle ATAPI devices through 
the SCSI layer.

	Jeff



  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-05-24  7:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-05-23 20:15 [PATCH] libata: device suspend/resume Jeff Garzik
2005-05-23 20:41 ` James Bottomley
2005-05-23 20:45   ` Jeff Garzik
2005-05-23 22:10     ` James Bottomley
2005-05-24  6:21       ` Jens Axboe
2005-05-24  6:53         ` Jeff Garzik
2005-05-24  7:06           ` Hannes Reinecke
2005-05-24  7:08             ` Jens Axboe
2005-05-24  7:16             ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2005-05-24  7:07           ` Jens Axboe
2005-05-24  7:10             ` Jeff Garzik
2005-05-24  7:13               ` Jens Axboe
2005-05-27  2:49                 ` libata, SCSI and storage drivers Jeff Garzik
2005-05-27  6:45                   ` Douglas Gilbert
2005-05-27 14:41                     ` Luben Tuikov
2005-05-24  7:14               ` [PATCH] libata: device suspend/resume Hannes Reinecke
2005-05-24  7:15                 ` Jens Axboe
2005-05-24  7:18                 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-05-24 10:17                   ` Douglas Gilbert
2005-05-24 17:10                     ` Jeff Garzik
2005-05-24  7:59           ` Jens Axboe
2005-05-24  8:21             ` Jeff Garzik
2005-05-24  8:51               ` Jens Axboe
2005-05-24 16:37                 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-05-25  9:29                   ` Jens Axboe
2005-05-25 23:40                     ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2005-05-26  1:05                     ` Jeff Garzik
2005-05-26  5:57                       ` Jens Axboe
2005-05-26 22:56                     ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2005-05-27  6:54                       ` Jens Axboe
2005-05-27  2:01                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-05-27  6:55                       ` Jens Axboe
2005-05-24 13:48           ` Luben Tuikov
2005-05-24 17:29             ` Jeff Garzik
2005-05-24 13:05         ` Luben Tuikov
2005-05-27  2:54       ` Jeff Garzik
2005-05-24 16:27   ` Mark Lord
2005-05-24 16:33     ` Mark Lord
2005-05-24 16:04 ` Mark Lord

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