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From: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>
To: Jens Axboe <axboe@suse.de>
Cc: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@SteelEye.com>,
	SCSI Mailing List <linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-ide@vger.kernel.org
Subject: libata, SCSI and storage drivers
Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 22:49:45 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <42968AC9.60705@pobox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050524071320.GW9855@suse.de>

Jens Axboe wrote:
> On Tue, May 24 2005, Jeff Garzik wrote:
> 
>>Jens Axboe wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, May 24 2005, Jeff Garzik wrote:
>>>
>>>>I can describe how this will look when libata is divorced from SCSI, if 
>>>>you would like, too...
>>>
>>>I was beginning to dispair you had given up that plan...
>>
>>hehe, nope.  I promised Linus, and I plan to keep my promise :)
> 
> 
> You promised me, too :)
> 
> 
>>I know how to do it.  Internally things have been kept as separate as 
>>possible from the SCSI layer.
> 
> 
> We should start a list of items that could potentially be moved to the
> block layer that libata currently uses.


Here are the two broad categories of things that immediately come to mind.


1.  Hardware in pre-production right now can do SAS or SATA on the same 
card.  So, real soon, a driver will need to do both SCSI and ATA 
depending on runtime conditions.

The SCSI transport class is a very nice way to connect low-level drivers 
and the class drivers (disk/cdrom/tape/...).  It works well with the 
device model, and is modular in just the right location.

I would like to develop ATA transport class(es).  In order to work well 
with SATA/SAS hardware, there will need to be at least one.

And as I hoped you have guessed.....  the ATA transport class should be 
a child of the block layer, not the SCSI layer.


2.  driver API.  Linux SCSI layer provides several services which are 
generalized to any "packet transport":
* mapping of devices to protocol buses (domain topology, etc.)
* command queueing
* error handling

For hardware like ATA or I2O, this "send-command" type of API is the 
most natural way to implement a low-level driver, particularly if the 
core code provides all the necessary queueing/mapping/EH services as well.

This infrastructure is -not- specific to SCSI at all.  And it is this 
infrastructure that allowed me to bring up libata so rapidly.

	Jeff



  reply	other threads:[~2005-05-27  2:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-05-23 20:15 [PATCH] libata: device suspend/resume Jeff Garzik
2005-05-23 20:41 ` James Bottomley
2005-05-23 20:45   ` Jeff Garzik
2005-05-23 22:10     ` James Bottomley
2005-05-24  6:21       ` Jens Axboe
2005-05-24  6:53         ` Jeff Garzik
2005-05-24  7:06           ` Hannes Reinecke
2005-05-24  7:08             ` Jens Axboe
2005-05-24  7:16             ` Jeff Garzik
2005-05-24  7:07           ` Jens Axboe
2005-05-24  7:10             ` Jeff Garzik
2005-05-24  7:13               ` Jens Axboe
2005-05-27  2:49                 ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2005-05-27  6:45                   ` libata, SCSI and storage drivers Douglas Gilbert
2005-05-27 14:41                     ` Luben Tuikov
2005-05-24  7:14               ` [PATCH] libata: device suspend/resume Hannes Reinecke
2005-05-24  7:15                 ` Jens Axboe
2005-05-24  7:18                 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-05-24 10:17                   ` Douglas Gilbert
2005-05-24 17:10                     ` Jeff Garzik
2005-05-24  7:59           ` Jens Axboe
2005-05-24  8:21             ` Jeff Garzik
2005-05-24  8:51               ` Jens Axboe
2005-05-24 16:37                 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-05-25  9:29                   ` Jens Axboe
2005-05-25 23:40                     ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2005-05-26  1:05                     ` Jeff Garzik
2005-05-26  5:57                       ` Jens Axboe
2005-05-26 22:56                     ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2005-05-27  6:54                       ` Jens Axboe
2005-05-27  2:01                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-05-27  6:55                       ` Jens Axboe
2005-05-24 13:48           ` Luben Tuikov
2005-05-24 17:29             ` Jeff Garzik
2005-05-24 13:05         ` Luben Tuikov
2005-05-27  2:54       ` Jeff Garzik
2005-05-24 16:27   ` Mark Lord
2005-05-24 16:33     ` Mark Lord
2005-05-24 16:04 ` Mark Lord
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-05-27 12:42 libata, SCSI and storage drivers James.Smart
2005-05-27 14:26 James.Smart
2005-05-27 17:45 James.Smart
2005-05-27 18:05 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-05-27 19:04 ` James Bottomley

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