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From: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>
To: James.Smart@Emulex.Com
Cc: luben_tuikov@adaptec.com, dougg@torque.net, axboe@suse.de,
	James.Bottomley@SteelEye.com, linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-ide@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: libata, SCSI and storage drivers
Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 14:05:26 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <42976166.3090508@pobox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9BB4DECD4CFE6D43AA8EA8D768ED51C201AC3D@xbl3.ad.emulex.com>

James.Smart@Emulex.Com wrote:
> Folks,
> 
> This discussion brings up some latent questions...
> 
> The transport can be a subsystem on it's own and is perhaps independent
> of SCSI altogether. In this case, SCSI just happens to be a personality
> of something on the transport. This is at odds with the current design
> in which the transport is something under SCSI and inherently bound to
> the SCSI "host".

Yes.  This is something I really want to change, for libata.


> I understand how we got to where we are, but shouldn't we consider making
> some transports independent subsystems ? If the only protocol that
> can be run on the transport is SCSI (ex: SPI), then the transport can be
> under SCSI. However, if the transport can support multiple protocols (FC
> can support SCSI, IP, (or ATA)), shouldn't it be structured more like an io
> bus like pci ? 

Unfortunately this is an open-ended question that Linux is rather poor 
at answering, since the answer could range from "no" to "show me the 
code" to "you're an absolute visionary!"  :)

My own opinion:

I consciously avoid thinking too much in that direction.  Linux 
development is a lot like a biological process.  The evolution of the 
kernel code over time will give us the best answer.

Perhaps we will merge request_queue and network stack systems into a 
single "packet transport" system.  Perhaps net stack and request_queue 
systems will stay separate, and request_queue will evolve into a 
generalized system for RPC message transport.

With the device model, both IDE [as of yesterday] and SCSI -already- 
export bus topology in a standardized manner, just like PCI.

	Jeff



  reply	other threads:[~2005-05-27 18:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-05-27 17:45 libata, SCSI and storage drivers James.Smart
2005-05-27 18:05 ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2005-05-27 19:04 ` James Bottomley
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-05-27 14:26 James.Smart
2005-05-27 12:42 James.Smart
2005-05-23 20:15 [PATCH] libata: device suspend/resume Jeff Garzik
2005-05-23 20:41 ` James Bottomley
2005-05-23 20:45   ` Jeff Garzik
2005-05-23 22:10     ` James Bottomley
2005-05-24  6:21       ` Jens Axboe
2005-05-24  6:53         ` Jeff Garzik
2005-05-24  7:07           ` Jens Axboe
2005-05-24  7:10             ` Jeff Garzik
2005-05-24  7:13               ` Jens Axboe
2005-05-27  2:49                 ` libata, SCSI and storage drivers Jeff Garzik
2005-05-27  6:45                   ` Douglas Gilbert
2005-05-27 14:41                     ` Luben Tuikov

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